Thanks John,
That's why I and many others feel that sponsors of all contests should install
a separate category for SO2R to at least level the playing field a bit.
That would let the 2R top dogs battle among their peers and let the 1R ops do
the same and work on bettering themselves as ops, their station and location if
they feel the need. As it stands now..what's the use other than self
gratification? There is zero chance of being that top dog. Times have changed.
Looking back at different contests on 3830, all the winners and high scoring
entries in the single op categories have all been using more than 1 rig and
probably nearly all their contacts to get them there have come from ops using 1
rig.
Have a great weekend and maybe cu in the NAQP.
73
MIKE W2GR
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: john@kk9a.com
</div><div>Date:01/09/2015 7:01 AM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Mike W2GR
<w2gr@aol.com> </div><div>Subject: RE: SO2R vs SO1R </div><div>
</div>I agree that from the US it would be tough to win any major category in
CQWW or ARRLDX without two radios, but even with So2R your would have to be a
super op at a great station in the NE. You could win WPX SO1R, if you were
lucky.
On 2015-01-09 06:23, Mike W2GR wrote:
Ok...tks John
I get it now.
I'm gonna have to start hanging around with Dennis Rodman...so the next time he
goes to visit the little tyrant...I'll make sure he does it during the CQWW
RTTY.
; oD
That outta do it.
I guess I should have asked which contest in this country. As in SO2R...99.9%
of participants in contests do not travel to some multiplier country to enhance
the chances of a win.
As in SO2R if it didn't give someone the huge advantage in winning..would they
still spend the time, effort and money to go there?
Probably not.
As I said before..the Classic is a step in the right direction.
Thanks for your reply and see you in the next one!
Mike W2GR
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-------- Original message --------
From: john@kk9a.com
Date:01/08/2015 10:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WriteLog@CONTESTING.COM
Cc: w2gr@aol.com
Subject: RE: SO2R vs SO1R
To some degree there already is a SO1R category in one major contest. CQWW
Classic allows only one transceiver. You can also operate single band and be
very competitive with one radio in any contest. I have a number of single band
plaques and records, most done with a single radio.
To get the full benefit of SO2R you have to be almost super human. Watch how
easy N6MJ makes it look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqkw05ClqQ4 . Even
with only one radio many of the winning operators would be tough to beat.
Another way to improve your score is by improving your antennas and location.
Since you asked I will list a couple of my SO1R highlights. In the 2011 CQWW
Phone Contest, I was in Aruba with my XYL celebrating our anniversary so this
was not a super serious operation. Also the DSL had a very poor connection.
Using the callsign P40A, I operated SOAB (A) and had the world high score and
came very close to breaking the all time record. (Since this is the Writelog
list, I should mention that I used Writelog). In 1999 I won the low power
category in the ARRL DX Phone contest using the callsign VP5J and I set a new
record with just one radio. In 2004, K9PG went to WP3R and broke my record.
also using one radio.
W2GD/P40W is an excellent operator who has won many contests and he always uses
a single transceiver. He does an amazing job of finding multipliers and band
openings while maintaining high QSO rates.
I plan to operate SO1R in the next ARRL DX phone contest as WP2AA.
73,
John KK9A – W4AAA
From: W2GR@aol.com [mailto:W2GR@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:48 PM
To: john@kk9a.com; WriteLog@CONTESTING.COM
Subject: SO2R vs SO1R
Hi John,
I am just curious ...in what contest ..in what category ...and year have you
won in the SO cat where SO2R contestants were operating?...?...This is not to
get into any pissing match...but just for someone who would like to know. That
would be very respectable...(not that I don't respect your operating abilities
now)
And guys like Don and Ed etc...their feats in operating I will probably never
get to that level as long as I live......definitely guys to look up to in the
RTTY contesting world..among others...as I have...However..
In the single op category in the contests...I just wonder...if there were NOT a
significant and winning advantage, why bother with the expense...learning and
aggravation of going to SO2R?...
I can answer that for you...to be competitive with the other guys that have
gone that route. The advantage...for the win....to be the best ...and that is
outstanding!...that makes the new guys running SO2R wanna be like the others
above and strive to better their operating skill etc. THATS A GOOD THING!
COMPETE WITH YOUR PEERS!
Shouldn't the ops that choose not to run SO2R have the same opportunity
regardless of their operational situation?..Be it a beam vs dipole...stacks vs
vert. ...East coast vs West etc....its still 1 rig and 1 antenna at a time. A
boy and his radio.
Seems to me...If there were a separate category for SO2R...maybe the SO1R guys
would start wanting to improve themselves..improve their station and get better
at operating in their category to get to the level of the ops at the top...and
spend more time in the chair?..that would be a good thing for everyone...would
it not?...that would be a goal to shoot for anyway...
What are the SO1R goals now competing with SO2R?...to be 30th?...
Probably 99% of the ops entered in the single op catagories in all the contests
are SO1R....
So my question to the guys that think there should NOT be a separate catagory...
WHY NOT?..Why should there NOT be a separation? WHY NOT?
Mike W2GR
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In a message dated 1/8/2015 1:54:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john@kk9a.com
writes:
Ed does a great job running multiple radios, especially on RTTY. It is
definitely not easy, especially if you are operating from a high rate
area. Imagine working 200-300+ stations per hour on SSB on one radio
while looking for mults on another. There are operators that do this very
well. Anyone can set up two radios but learning to use both and maintain
this energy and motivation during the contest is the challenge. I see no
reason for a separate category. You should never under estimate what can
be done with a single radio. Many people have won using SO1R, including
myself. As Ed said, SO2R on RTTY is easier. You do not have to mentally
copy anything and the exchanges are often ridiculously long which give you
a lot of free time. The difficult part for me when running RTTY on two
bands is that you cannot legally transmit on both at the same time (as
single op) and sometimes QSOs do not sync well. Both may require my
response at the same time and sometimes I have to wait longer than I care
for before I can hit the appropriate F key for one of the QSOs.
John KK9A / W4AAA
To: <W2GR@aol.com>, <WriteLog@CONTESTING.COM>
Subject: Re: [WriteLog] P49X Prefill file & Message SO2R vs SO1R
From: "Ed Muns" <ed@w0yk.com>
Reply-to: ed@w0yk.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 06:54:28 -0800
How many of the "SO2R guys" who "push you down in the standings" are
operating from a "small city lot . 1 trapped beam, 1 homebrew short 160m
vert. and a very low 80m inv. V"? Most SO2R operators have already created
significant advantages with their station location and antennas, etc. How
many SO2R operators out score you from identical stations in identical
locations? That will tell you how severely tilted the playing field is due
to SO2R.
Of course, a skilled SO2R operator will likely outscore a skilled SO1R
operator in identical locations with identical propagation and identical
antennas. But the extent of this advantage is smaller than the advantages
gained from all the other qualifiers in that sentence. Most SO2R operators
have already gained significant advantage by optimizing other aspects of
their station and location.
By the way, for anyone wanting to improve their SO2R skills, spend plenty of
time in RTTY contests. SO2R is much easier because the operator is freed
from copying and can therefore apply his attention to perfecting all the
other skills needed to effectively manage two or more QSO streams on
different bands. The potential score advantage of SO2R in RTTY is also much
higher than in CW or SSB, but the SO2R skills developed in RTTY are mostly
applicable to the other modes. My CW SO2R skills improved much faster once
I started doing RTTY contesting.
Also, SO2R skills can be developed in any SO1R station that has a radio with
a reasonable second receiver. This is so-called SO2V. It is even more
challenging than SO2R because you can not listen to another frequency on the
same band (usually) while transmitting.
Finally, don't underestimate the skill it takes to operate SO2R such that it
actually is an advantage. My scores were lower due to SO2R for many, many
contests. To the extent that SO2R is an advantage for me today it is
because I invested thousands of hours struggling to learn it.
Ed W0YK
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