Hi Phil,
I was talking with Bart, W9JJ about this today and he suggested that the
sprints might be a great way to test any changes.
The dialog we have going on here is really good- there are lots of great
ideas being presented. Believe me, we are paying attention here at HQ.
73,
Paul N1SFE
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 7:59 PM Philip Theis <phil@k3tuf.com> wrote:
> Folks, what we need to do is experiment with these scoring ideas in the
> sprints. That's what they are, proving grounds. This is a great dialog
> and I'm sure the committee is taking this into account.
>
> 73,
>
> Phil K3TUF
>
> On 9/17/2024 1:17 PM, Bob Fischer wrote:
> > My view is that the digital modes have added more tools to our
> > contesting tool box. A good mechanic knows what tools to grab from the
> > tool box for a certain job. A good mechanic will never try to use one
> > tool to do every job. I know some say "the world was built with a pair
> > of vice grip pliers and a roll of duct tape", but I see no hope for
> > them :-)
> >
> > I start VHF & Up contests on SSB for quick easy contacts. When all the
> > workable stations seem gone, switching to CW will get some more
> > stations that could not be worked on SSB. After that I go to FT8 for
> > more contacts. At this point I don't just call CQ and let it
> > automatically happen because that becomes boring. I scan the stations
> > calling CQ for new grids, and call them first. If I see a new grid at
> > -30 on the screen, I do a quick QRZ check for an accurate beam heading
> > and most of the time work that station. Now that's fun and not boring!
> > At some time after working all the new grids I can find, I will then
> > just call CQ and work all the "locals" in close grids who mostly only
> > work FT8 and no other modes. When all other options fail, I go to the
> > ON4KST Region 2 Chat (another tool in the box) to see what stations
> > are not in my log. If you tend to be a "stick in the mud" and believe
> > that violates "the spirit of the contest" even though most sponsors
> > allow it, you will be missing some contacts and grid multipliers in
> > your log at the end of the contest.
> >
> > Don't forget to go back to the SSB/CW/ and FM modes regularly to see
> > if the football game, picnic, calls from the XYL for help, etc are
> > over and a whole new pool of contacts are available. When they run out
> > again, go back to digital.
> >
> > In closing, I believe the digital modes will not cause the "end of
> > VHF+ contesting as we know it". If we all open our eyes and spend as
> > much time thinking about how to best use all the available tools we
> > have. Rather than being frustrated, we can still enjoy the hobby
> > we all share for years to come.
> >
> > Respectfully submitted es 73,
> > Bob W2SJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 11:26 AM Rick R <rick1ds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here's a thought—Even hours analog, Odd hours digital
> > Or perhaps having an analog-only contest and a digital-only
> > contest as has been suggested many times. Rick K1DS
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* newsvhf-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> > <newsvhf-bounces@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Paul Bourque
> > <pbourque@gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 11:18 AM
> > *To:* k1ep@arrl.net <k1ep@arrl.net>
> > *Cc:* Terry Price <terry@directivesystems.com>; News group mailing
> > list <newsvhf@mailman.qth.net>
> > *Subject:* Re: [NEWSVHF] Dave and Fred and all
> > A couple of years ago, I posted in Contest Update and recommended
> that
> > stations call CQ and look for CW/SSB QSOs at the top and bottom of
> > each
> > hour. Of course, what really helps here is that some of the bigger
> gun
> > stations get on and call CQ. Maybe we should make this a thing-
> > similar to
> > how K1WHS is helping bring back life to 222. But we need to get more
> > stations on board for this to work. I'm not anti digital modes, but I
> > really find it more enjoyable to work stations on phone (working
> > on my CW
> > skills, but not anywhere near ready for prime time with that.)
> >
> > This past contest, I was focussed on 6 meters because I'm so close to
> > getting my VUCC on 6 and that was my goal for this contest. I only
> > heard
> > one station calling CQ on SSB (W2EA), which I had already worked.
> > The CQs
> > from my little gun station went unanswered. But I tried- I didn't
> > make a
> > single contact on SSB as my time was being wasted sitting there
> > calling CQ
> > to an empty band. BTW- my goal for getting closer to VUCC was
> > successful-
> > I'm sitting at 99 confirmed grids right now- and hoping that a
> > couple of
> > stations that I worked confirm for my 100th grid.
> >
> > In June, I roved to 3 sites in FN31, FN32 and FN42- (SSB/FM only).
> > When I
> > was in FN32- basically in W2SZs backyard, I was expecting to hear
> > them on
> > all three bands I had (6, 2, 432)- but they were suspiciously
> > absent from
> > SSB and FM. I did catch them calling CQ on 446.0 when I was
> > driving down
> > the hill from my FN42 location. I thought for sure I'd hear them
> > on phone
> > being so close to them. In years past, W2SZ was my "beacon" during
> > contests- it was a sure bet that I'd get them in the log every
> > contest.
> >
> > I'm really looking forward to any suggestions on how we can
> > breathe some
> > life back into CW and voice (SSB, FM, AM..) during the VHF contests.
> >
> > 73,
> > -Paul N1SFE
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 10:23 AM Ed Parish <k1ep.list@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If all of us abandon CW and SSB, then everyone will be on FT8.
> > We still
> > > need to call CQ on CW and SSB and make some activity there. It was
> > > disheartening at tines to tune from 50.125 to 50.200 and not
> > hear a single
> > > SSB signal during the contest.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024, 09:44 Terry Price <
> terry@directivesystems.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't "care" for digital modes either but I have worked
> > folks on FT8
> > > that
> > > > I could not work on cw so it does have it's place. As a
> > contester, you
> > > have
> > > > to go where the activity is, do I wish there was more cw/SSB,
> > heck yes
> > > but
> > > > it is what it is.
> > > >
> > > > ANY VHF & up activity is welcome, hell I'll work you on FM or
> > AM if
> > > > necessary !!!
> > > >
> > > > Terry Price - W8ZN
> > > > Directive Systems and Engineering
> > > > 703-754-3876
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 8:50 AM Ellis Foley via NEWSVHF <
> > > > newsvhf@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I agree whole heartedly with you Dave and Fred, I do not
> > work FT8, just
> > > > > not a digital guy in that respect. tried lots of things
> > Rtty, ASCII etc
> > > > > just never got into or like the mode. and not seeking any
> > awards so no
> > > > need
> > > > > here. But I used to work all the VHF contest thru and thu
> > spent many a
> > > > > contest til the wee hours of each morning working and
> > sending in my
> > > logs.
> > > > > Have not done that last 5-6 yrs simply because I no longer
> > put the
> > > effort
> > > > > in because every one is on FT8 or what ever other digi
> > mode.I did not
> > > > even
> > > > > turn the rig on this contest. had no desire to even "dole"
> > out points.
> > > > > I'm seeing and hearing a lot more guys saying the same
> > thing, but
> > > do
> > > > > not hear them on ssb or cw when the contest come around? so!
> > unless
> > > they
> > > > > get off the computer and on the rigs it will remain the same
> > or get
> > > even
> > > > > worse. Sad to see the empty air waves on ssb and cw. anytime
> > not just
> > > > > contesting. I monitor 50.125 all the time and have only
> > heard one guy
> > > on
> > > > > and worked him in almost two months! And the clincher is
> > just about
> > > every
> > > > > new rig today has 6m into it. ! and no one uses the band .
> > oh well Que
> > > > sera
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