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Re: [VHFcontesting] [NEWSVHF] Scheduling Multi-band QSOs in June VHF...

To: Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com>, VHF Contesting <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>, newsvhf@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] [NEWSVHF] Scheduling Multi-band QSOs in June VHF...
From: Ed Kucharski <k3dne@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Agree completely with Gerry! 
"There is life beyond FT8" 
I'd love to see an increase in legacy (SSB,CW,FM) modes in this contest. Last 
June I was boringly working FT8 and a SSB voice came on frequency stating 6m 
was open on SSB. I QSY'd and went on to work over 400 SSB QSO's on 6m and had a 
blast! So much more rewarding (for me) than working digital.

I'll be on from EM94ae SC 6m and 2m with a KW and single yagis (unfortunately 
only at 25 and 30ft.) on both bands. I'll be looking for SSB/CW activity on the 
top and bottom of each hour and during the activity hours (see bellow). I'll 
try to remember to self spot.

73,
Ed K3DNE
EM94ae


>     On 06/12/2021 8:27 AM Gerry Hull < gerry@w1ve.com mailto:gerry@w1ve.com > 
> wrote:
>      
>      
>      There is life beyond FT8.
>      
>      
>      
>     Let's have a fun contest! See ya on the bands.
>      
>     73,
>      
>     from the W12SZ MGEF FN32jp Gang
>     50 MHz - 47 GHz
>      
>     Gerry Hull, *W1VE *Hancock, NH USA
>     VA1CWO | VO1WIN | VY2CDX | VE9XDX | VE2NEN
>     VE3AII | VE4CDX | VY1AAA | NS1DX | VE1RM
>     CWOps #191 | YCCC | CanAm Contest Coalition | Maritime Contest Club
>     RadioSport Manitoba | ARRL | RAC | QCWA
>      
>      
>      
>      
>     On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 5:54 PM < ww1z_1@juno.com mailto:ww1z_1@juno.com 
> > wrote:
>      
> 
>         > >         Contest activity hours potentially work best in the 
> January contest.
> >         Minimal six meter e-skip. Next in the September contest, some but 
> > rarely
> >         a lot of six meter e-skip. Hardest in the June contest as when six 
> > is
> >         open work six meters. Another thing that may work against the 
> > activity
> >         hour approach is with the first QSO with a station and then running 
> > the
> >         bands.
> >          
> >         As I recall the activity hours ran some thing like this:
> >          
> >         6: 12:00 to 1:00 and 6:00 to 7:00
> >         2: 1:00 to 2:00 and 7:00 to 8:00
> >         222: 2:00 to 3:00 and 8:00 to 9:00
> >         432: 3:00 to 4:00 and 9:00 to 10:00
> >         mW: 4:00 to 5:00 and 10:00 to 11:00
> >          
> >         AM or PM the times apply.
> >         There are some built in hour break times. Unless six is open! Or 
> > some
> >         good tropo.
> >          
> >         At this point I guess it will take some of the better stations to 
> > follow
> >         these times and be consistently on till most everyone else learns to
> >         follow along.
> >          
> >         May be harder on big multi-op stations if too much activity is
> >         concentrated on the higher bands at a few set hours during a 
> > contest.
> >          
> >         May be easier on smaller multi-op stations with just a few 
> > operators as
> >         they may be able to ignore some bands outside of the activity hours.
> >          
> >         John, WW1Z
> >          
> >          
> >         On Fri, 28 May 2021 06:29:03 -0400 N1SV < n1sv@comcast.net 
> > mailto:n1sv@comcast.net > writes:
> > 
> >             > > >             I’m sure some remember activity hours during 
> > contests where
> > >             stations would concentrate their operating time on a 
> > > particular band
> > >             on a specific hour in order to maximize activity. Maybe it’s 
> > > time
> > >             to bring this concept back?
> > >              
> > >             Les, N1SV
> > >              
> > >             Sent from my iPhone
> > >              
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 On May 28, 2021, at 6:07 AM, 
> > > N1BUG < paul@n1bug.com mailto:paul@n1bug.com > wrote:
> > > >                  
> > > >                 ?As I have said before, I (and others north and east of 
> > > > me when
> > > > 
> > > >             > > >             they were active) get on to have some fun 
> > > > and take advantage of high
> > >             activity to get QSOs that are otherwise unavailable. You 
> > > can't be a
> > >             contester from here except for competing against yourself.
> > >             >
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 I don't care how QSOs are 
> > > arranged as long as the QSO itself is
> > > > 
> > > >             > > >             completed by radio. Some of my best and 
> > > > most fun QSOs usually come
> > >             from coordination via ON4KST chat.
> > >             >
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 I doubt having a few minutes of 
> > > SSB/CW activity every hour would
> > > > 
> > > >             > > >             help me at all. In such short windows it 
> > > > is unlikely many will point
> > >             this way. I can make 500 mile contacts on 2-222-432 but 
> > > people must
> > >             be pointed right at me.
> > >             >
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 I will continue to try to get 
> > > some fun out of contests but with
> > > > 
> > > >             > > >             FT8 cutting down on fun and making it 
> > > > more difficult to arrange
> > >             running bands, the return on investment has dropped 
> > > considerably. If
> > >             it weren't for ON4KST chat I probably wouldn't waste my time 
> > > getting
> > >             on for the major contests any more.
> > >             >
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 Paul N1BUG
> > > >                  
> > > >                  
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > >                     On 5/21/21 10:34 AM, 
> > > > Gerry Hull wrote:
> > > > >                     Though I've not been able to participate as much 
> > > > > in the last few
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 > > > > 
> > > >             > > >             years,
> > >             >> I've been doing the June contest with the W2SZ MGEF group 
> > > on
> > >             Greylock
> > >             >> (FN32) for more than 35 years.
> > >             >> As we all know, WSJT has changed everything about V/U/uW
> > >             contesting.
> > >             >> I don't blame people for wanting to mostly QSO via WSJT: 
> > > If you
> > >             don't have
> > >             >> a mountaintop QTH, it's the best way to maximize your 
> > > QSOs, and
> > >             the amount
> > >             >> of time it takes to
> > >             >> make a QSO is not as important as MAKING THE QSO.
> > >             >> That said, it is extremely difficult to move to other 
> > > bands, or
> > >             ask
> > >             >> stations to move to other bands if you are making a QSO 
> > > via WSJT.
> > >             >> Yes, we allow any means to make skeds: phone calls, chat 
> > > rooms,
> > >             texting,
> > >             >> etc. Is that what people are preferring today?
> > >             >> I have two questions:
> > >             >> - Would people be interested in having a few times per 
> > > hour where
> > >             they
> > >             >> would switch to SSB/CW from WSJT (say 2 minutes every 30?)
> > >             >> During those periods, QSOs on a band could be made, or 
> > > making
> > >             schedules for
> > >             >> other bands could be accomplished.
> > >             >> - Or, do most of you prefer non-amateur-means to sked?
> > >             >> 73,
> > >             >> Gerry Hull, *W1VE *Hancock, NH USA
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