Yep good points.
At this point in time however, my attitude seems to be:
The more time I spend contesting on VHF and up running the current WSJT-x modes
the less I enjoy that style of operation. Some how something seems to have
been lost in the transition away from older modes such as FSK441. I suspect
the issues are far more involved than just changing modes. The tipping point
for me was when I decided I needed an FT8 alerting system in my truck to detect
band openings on 50 MHz while driving. After one contest operating that way I
began to loose interest in FT8. I realized I enjoy listening to static with
my ears while operating (:
73
Mark S
VE7AFZ
mark@alignedsolutions.com
604 762 4099
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 11:50 AM, John Kludt <johnnykludt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All
>
> But should we not be looking at why FT8 is dominant and not trying to figure
> out ways to put the genie back in the bottle?. Maybe it has to do with the
> apparently declining number of "good CW ops" or the number of people who even
> know Morse Code. Maybe it has something to do with the ability to be
> successful, whatever that means, with less than a KW and stacked beams.
> Maybe it has to do with the possibility that for a station who mostly does
> S&P it is more efficient than SSB S&P. Remember the job of the little
> stations is to maximize their score, not the score of the big multi/multi run
> stations. And I get it, that is bad news to the multi/multi players.
>
> We will get it figured out. It is a hobby and it is about having fun. Being
> the 6m band captain for a multi/multi believe me I get it. But I also know
> we can't fix it by turning the clock backwards. Genies do not like to go
> back in the bottle.
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
>> On Sep 18, 2019 13:11, Mark Spencer <mark@alignedsolutions.com> wrote:
>>
>> Or perhaps be able to work a station twice on one band using any two
>> separate modes (ie. Digital, Phone or CW)
>>
>> That way operators who didn't want to run digital could run Phone and CW and
>> still be able to work stations twice on each band.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Mark S
>> VE7AFZ
>>
>> mark@alignedsolutions.com
>> 604 762 4099
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Dave <kdcarlso@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you got rid of the two signal rule you would actually reduce the
>>> activity. If there is a rule change I would support the idea of being able
>>> to work a station twice. Once on digital and once on CW or SSB. That would
>>> help reduce FT8's dominance.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> N2OA
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:59 AM RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the mode switching problem (and people getting "stuck on FT8")
>>>> has been made worse by the recent change in ARRL VHF contest rules that
>>>> allows single ops to transmit simultaneously on multiple bands. It was
>>>> easy
>>>> for example for me to set up a single computer with two sound cards and
>>>> two
>>>> radios running FT8. I think many ops now want to have a radio running 6M
>>>> FT8 all the time to catch weak openings on that band.
>>>> Only allowing a single signal at once on ANY band (like HF contests) would
>>>> discourage single ops from trying to cover multiple bands on FT8.
>>>>
>>>> Technically It is not easy to have a computer+two radios on FT8 and easily
>>>> switch back and forth from SSB (keeping a soundcard for voice messages of
>>>> course). Yes, you can go to multiple computers instead.
>>>>
>>>> Also, allowing internet chat rooms I think has made FT8 use take priority
>>>> over SSB/CW, just because it is much easier to do FT8 + internet compared
>>>> to SSB/CW + internet.
>>>> Tor N4OGW
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 7:41:47 AM CDT, N1BUG <
>>>> paul@n1bug.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is a situation I am going to have to investigate and try to
>>>> deal with as soon as I have some quality free time for radio...
>>>> hopefully in about 5 to 6 weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Call it over thinking things if you want, but of necessity band
>>>> switching tasks are complicated here. I am active from LF to UHF and
>>>> can only afford to have one good transceiver. VHF band switching
>>>> involves switching 28 MHz IF to the appropriate transverter,
>>>> reducing power output from the transceiver, enabling the correct
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