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Re: [VHFcontesting] Whats up with the VHF Contests?

To: Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Whats up with the VHF Contests?
From: VE3DS <ve3ds@acanac.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 19:09:17 -0500
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> That’s one of the key things about VHF UHF Tom….quality not quantity…
> 
> Getting on the air, making friends, having fun, and working DX is what keeps 
> up all together…the wonder of
> when that major Tropo, or 222 Mhz Es opening will happen… its the “magic” of 
> VHF UHF and that hasn’t changed 
> the only thing that has changed is it’s easier in a lot of ways… but 
> grumbling about white noise doesn’t change, we all grumble about white 
> noise…hi Heck just look at how CCO has taken off on HF and on VHF UHF as 
> well… 
   
> 
> Ya today it’s easier for sure with the Internet and reflectors but basically 
> it’s the same process…
> Listen, hunt, pounce when the prop is up and move on...… 
> 
> So how do you attract people?  Talk it up at the club, get active… take a 
> leaf from some of the clubs…  the Guelph ARC here for example 
> drummed up a huge amount of 432 activity… again that’s how things get going… 
> networking…


> Being in EN58 you are the rare DX.  So make some regular skeds with stations 
> on 6 m  and 
> people will be coming out of the woodwork if they hear you… post it …do it 
> regularly…get in touch with some of the other guys like Ed VE3KRP & the guys 
> in Winnipeg,  Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan..make the magic happen..
   
> 
> Get on the "ON4KST reflector “ and start sending me DX activity reports for 
> our VHF UHF Column “Six Metres and Down” in TCA …!
> 
> 
> 73 Dana VE3DS





> On Jan 6, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> While the stories of days gone by might be of interest to some, it does not 
> really address the issue of getting folks ON THE AIR TODAY.
>  
> So - here is a suggestion to everyone on the list.  Tell stories about what 
> you are doing NOW.  Activating grids, odd openings and anything else that 
> might be of interest to a wider audience that just folks in your back yard.  
> Why do this?  To help promote activity.  I don't need to listen to hours of 
> noise hoping to work someone.  If I want to do that, I will spend my efforts 
> on HF and put lots of Q's in the log.
>  
> What do I need to start making noise on VHF?  Times, frequencies and possibly 
> modes that will increase my chances of finding openings when I can work 
> someone.  While I only have an all-mode gear for 6/2 meters, if I had some 
> glimmer of hope of activity, I could be persuaded to add more gear/higher 
> power to the station.  But - when I all I see here is folks telling stories 
> about how life used to be, and lack of new folks joining the ranks, I really 
> don't see any point in improving my station.  I already know what a dead band 
> sounds like.
>  
> Want to see how this works?  Look at the Topback reflector.  Folks posting 
> about interesting openings and folks they worked.  Granted, some of it does 
> not apply to me, but it helps to keep interest levels up and to raise the 
> general knowledge level of all participants - even casual readers of the 
> reflector.
>  
> Perhaps its time to try this on this reflector as well...  It might even make 
> the bands radio active!
>  
> Tom - VE3CX  EN58go
>  
> 
>  
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:53 PM, VE3DS <ve3ds@acanac.net 
> <mailto:ve3ds@acanac.net>> wrote:
> Not sure if this got thru yesterday …
> I might add that back in 1970 we didn’t have internet but we could call 
> people up on the phone
> to get them to come on …
> 
> I still like the contests where you can make skeds & hope for the best…but 
> technology changes and so we must.
> 
> ___________
> 
> Further to Dave K1WHS comments - I’m outside of Dave’s 200 mi circle...
> 
> I worked my first contest in 1970 on 144 Mhz with a modded ARC3 @10 w and 2 
> HB 8 el telrex yogis
> fed with 7/8 helix. I was fortunate to live near Dennis VE3ASO, who , when I 
> got on 144.110 (this was 1969) , promptly came down
> and asked me “what the heck are you doing on MY band”?  It was the local guys 
> who inspired us 16 years olds to get on
> and chase DX…but contesting - well we just looked at the East Coast Q’s and 
> tried to understand how those scores were generated.
> Of course, it was groups of keen teenage guys on mountaintops … organized and 
> skilled with lots of locals to work.
> 
> At any rate, back in the day, no matter how hard we tried - more power, 
> better antennas etc it was never enough.
> 
> In fact it took a superhuman effort to mobilize all our local guys - 1 
> dedicated per band, develop state of the art band stations
> find our version of a mountain top and pray for good conditions…to break into 
> the Top 10.
> 
> Are there other factors?  Certainly - but the big one is distance - we in 
> Canada are far from the “centres” of activity in the States…& there needs to 
> be an incentive to
> have people look for stations in low density grids who can capitalize on 
> those short openings be it scatter or tropo.
> 
> SO… I for one would strongly support a distance calculation based on 6 digit 
> grids - maybe some kind of Logarithmic scoring method ie. 10 km, 100 km, 1000 
> km, 10000 km
> would be 1x 2 x 3x 4x  the normal point band score… ie. on 50 Mhz 1 pt x 3 
> for a 1000 km contact…
> 
> We should also encourage everyone to do their best regarding their stations - 
> not forgetting WSJT and EME.  Kudos to the Rovers on this aspect, I’ve 
> watched Bill VE3CRU
> and VE3OIL, VE3SMA etc work rover magic… but I’m not crazy about “captive 
> rovers” who only work their guys… I think that is “gaming the system”...
> 
> If you want to encourage activity, then make it attractive for everyone, 
> level the playing field so to speak.
> 
> Did I mention that it should also be FUN?
> 
> I can’t remember the number of times we all got together post contest over 
> pizza and beers to guffaw about
> the “arcing and sparking’, or the “lightning and tornado” or our hosts “home 
> made pie “…. it was FUN….lets keep it FUN, that’s what’s kept VHF UHFers 
> together since
> we found out about DX on 5 m...
> 
> 73 Dana VE3DS
> VE3ONT FN03fq
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