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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rules question (not anything to do with the usual problems)
From: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:31:52 -0700
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Ray, 

I followed up the other day with a better description, hopefully you saw that, 
but here's more thoughts:

You changed your statement from "use that data" to "use".  They are two 
different statements.  A Rover beaconing on APRS but not looking up other 
Rovers or fixed station locations with it, is different than an Unlimited Rover 
using mobile data and/or other Internet/whatever spotting networks.

Rovers all may TRANSMIT APRS data, unless banned specifically for a category -- 
with the additional caveat that no Rover in a category where they're 
one-band-at-a-time, may transmit with two radios simultaneously on the same 
band.  

In other words, look up the rules for your category about simultaneous use of 
other bands and or one band and apply it just like you would if you had two SSB 
radios side-by-side.  

(e.g. Shut off your APRS tracker beacon whenever the rules for your category 
say you have to... let it beacon a few times when you stop, but then shut it 
down when operating, or when operating on the same band, depending on your 
category.  You'll want to do this anyway since it's going to desense the snot 
out of your other receivers on that band anyway.)

Only UNLIMITED Rovers or Multi-Op stations may USE that data to find other 
Rovers.  A non-UNLIMITED Rover may not use APRS data to FIND another Rover and 
point at them from a SPOTTING network ... but... they can use the data if they 
DIRECTLY COPIED THE TRANSMISSION from the other Rover.  

Clear as mud, or is that a better description?  

Should it be simpler... yes.  But it wasn't that long ago that APRS of any kind 
from a Rover was "self-spotting" and there wasn't an UNLIMITED Class that could 
USE the data.

It's not too hard to build a "truth table" or just a list of rules specific to 
APRS... just go through the rules from start to finish, with a notepad, and 
write down the rule numbers that apply to APRS and your category... then go 
back and read those, and you'll have it right for your category/class of 
station.

What type of Rover are you interested in operating?  

Nate WY0X

On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Ray J wrote:

> 
> the rule states that rovers may use APRS..
> 
> it lists no exceptions at all other than they TX call and location only.
> 
>  wouldn't  "Spotting" require a frequency location.? pretty useless 
> with out knowing what frequency u can find them on.. thats why it is 
> forbidden for them to tx anything else other than call and grid .. its 
> not really "Spotting"
> 
> it doesn't say anywhere that "unlimited" rovers are the only rover class 
> that can use APRS..
> 
> 
> w9Ray
> 
> Nate Duehr wrote:
>> On 1/28/2010 3:41 PM, Ray J wrote:
>>> Are rovers themselves considered multi-op stations under this rule?  There
>>> is a soapbox entry that discusses using APRS info to find rovers but I was
>>> under the impression that only the two multi-op categories could use that
>>> data.  However, when I thought about it, I realized that Rovers are allowed
>>> 2 operators and perhaps that is what is meant under the rule.  I would
>>> appreciate any input on this.  I may have to rethink my position on APRS.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Only Multi-Op fixed stations and UNLIMITED Rovers are supposed to be 
>> able to use "spotting networks".
>> 
>> Nate WY0X
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