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Re: [VHFcontesting] rules

To: Marshall Williams <k5qe@sabinenet.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] rules
From: "Kenneth E. Harker" <kenharker@kenharker.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:45:18 -0800
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Let me see if I've translated this properly - we need more VHF QSO fodder, 
just not those filthy HFers (who seem to have figured out how to get a lot
more people operating their contests with all those silly restrictions)?


On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 07:20:27PM -0600, Marshall Williams wrote:
> RRR....if we could just get the HFers out of the world of VHF, most 
> things would work better. 
> 
> The VUAC made some very good changes to the VHF contest rules.....they 
> just did not go far enough.  All the nit-picking restrictions are the 
> results of HF contesters injecting their way of doing things into VHF 
> contesting.  There needs to be a General Rules for HF contesting and a 
> General Rules for VHF contesting.   These two sets of rules do not 
> necessarily have to be closely related, since the nature of HF and VHF 
> contesting is significantly different.  If the VUAC were to propose a 
> new set of rules that removed all the silly restrictions, the HF old 
> timers at ARRL would swat them down.  It is most discouraging.
> 
> Take a look a the rules for the CQ VHF contest.  Basically, anything 
> goes.  You can look at the Internet(anywhere in the Internet, I 
> believe).  The prop logger pages, spotting pages, realtime scheduling 
> pages, APRS, whatever.  You can make schedules on line, you can call 
> them on the phone and remind them to get on.  You can do whatever it 
> takes, BUT you still have to make a VALID contact.  The CQ VHF contest 
> is fast becoming one of the Majors precisely because it is not burdened 
> down with arcane restrictions that were put there by HF ops that have no 
> clue what we do.
> 
> VHF contesting should about making the contact now about HOW you found 
> the station on the other end.  Either you can work them, or you can't.  
> If you can work a station, how you found out that he was there is 
> immateriel.  If you can't work the station, all the restrictive rules 
> are meaningless anyway.  Focus on the CONTACTS.....the rest will come 
> along nicely.  73's to all ..... Marshall K5QE
> 
> aa4zz@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >Perhaps this change would be a good time to review the General Rules and see 
> >if some of them should be altered for VHF. It seems that often the issues 
> >that arise are with the general rules not the?VHF Rules and have to do with 
> >rules that mainly make sense in the HF world.
> >
> >73 Paul AA4ZZ
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kenneth E. Harker <kenharker@kenharker.com>
> >To: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
> >Cc: VHFcontesting@contesting.com
> >Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 4:31 pm
> >Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] rules
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 02:06:03PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Tom Staley wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>The only thing that would make it easier would be if all of the rules for a
> >>>given contest were in one site or document, not 2 or 3. 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Yeah, pretty much the only way to make this all easier is to keep the 
> >>rules to a minimum, and in ONE place.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >My understanding is that part of the reforms in contest coverage/promotion 
> >that have already begun (see the February, 2008 QST) within the ARRL Contest
> >Branch will be to do just that.  The rules were originally split into three 
> >parts (General, HF/VHF, contest-specific) mainly to save page space in QST,
> >and there's no reason to do that in the web presentation of the rules.  I 
> >think it will be real soon now that the Contest Branch web site will start
> >displaying the rules for a contest in their entirety in one document.
> >
> >  
> >
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