Hi Ed,
Good to see something posted on here that is not whinning about rover rules.
They seem to be beating a dead horse again.
At any rate, Dave, K1WHS, at Directive Systems has some info on stacking:
http://www.directivesystems.com/
I believe it's under the "Apps Notes" section on his site. It's a work in
progress but there is some good info there.
73,
Dave N8AG (ex W4TXS Rover)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 06:12:09 -0500
From: "Ed Swiderski, KU4BP"
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Antenna stacking distance
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Hello all,
I'm in the planning stages on a home station and was wondering about the
stackiing distance for antennas for multiple bands. My plan is for 3, maybe
4 on one mast or two medium size towers with 2 each. I have 16el on 2m, 18el
on 432 and plans are for 5el on 6m and 220 is in the works. I've seen a
couple solutions and was wondering what has worked best for you. One was to
mount the lower freq beam a distance of half the boom length of the higher
freq beam that's above it. Another was use the stacking distance
calculations provided by the manufacturer. Which says to mount the higher
freq beam at half the stacking distance of the lower beam.
Can anyone shed some light or provide some links, formaulas etc on the
proper way to stack multiple beams of different freqs on a single mast?
Thank you,
Ed Swiderski KU4BP
EM96
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:54:40 -0500
From: Radioman
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] poll cont...
To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
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Its amazing what some people would do for wood and paper on the walls..
i guess, learning and with trials, making your station better, is
long gone along with the gentlemen ham...
i have lots of respect for rovers, its a tough job, iv seen the movies
and the
PIC's, they take a chance on getting arrested and charged with all kinds of
stupid home land security (guilty until proven other wise) laws
But i out right refuse to work the captive rovers or big guns
sponsoring captive rovers...
after contesting for a few years you get to know who is doing what, so thats
my fix, and its catching on, i see many more stations doing the same
thing here
on the east coast, quietly lowering their contacts and ignoring them
and YES, there are allot of stations they could have worked but don't,
many rovers work large groups all the way up the bands, and yet ive
hrd a rover with many stations calling him work only one special station
then leave, missing all the others with new grids...
i know i was selected for the poll, and after seeing some of the poll
questions
i bailed just because of these never ending threads that start fights
and 100 meg
of band with
Tony
frank bechdoldt wrote:
>Jim wrote
>
>Are you saying they lied and there really were lots of stations they could
>have worked but didn't?
>
>
>
>>This web page shows where they have worked in a group , the poll shows the
>>complaints. Its a good opperation if they would work other people.
>>
>>
>
>You don't know what you are talking about, they do work other people
>Jim
>
>Are you caling the ARRL a liar when theyy said this group worked each other
>for 98% of thier qsos.
>
>What other contest on earth can you work toyr 2 team members for 98 percent
>of tout points?
>So if I wen tto the north pole on a subamarine and did the big 360 grid
>circlle with my other navy buddy with wilson fm handhelds would I be
>honnored as the best in vhf contesting? After all its not my fault you cant
>hear me. To take all that equipment to a part of the country where very few
>hams live within 100's of miles and to work each other for 98% of thier own
>score is self serving and does the rest of us no good. It is the simple
>purchase of a plauqe for a wall by a guy who is on the ARRL committee
>itself.
>
>Here is a group of circlers web page
>http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/woverbeck/rover.htm
>
>look at the ja 2005 results they all have the same multipliers.
>look at the rigs they all have the same antennas because all the gear is
>owned by one enity.
>
>Look at the guy's wall and you will see his motivation.
>http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/woverbeck/contests.htm
>
>What other contest can I own and control 3 stations and co-ordinate them to
>win?
>
>This should be a contest by itself or at least a different catagory.
>
>What harm would that do?
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 06:56:39 -0800
From: "Jim Forsyth"
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] poll cont...
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Your answer was non responsive. Here is my question again:
Are you saying they lied and there really were lots of stations they could
have worked but didn't?
> Are you saying they lied and there really were lots of stations they could
> have worked but didn't?
>
>>This web page shows where they have worked in a group , the poll shows the
>>complaints. Its a good opperation if they would work other people.
>
> You don't know what you are talking about, they do work other people
> Jim
>
> Are you caling the ARRL a liar when theyy said this group worked each
> other
> for 98% of thier qsos.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:03:51 -0500
From: Steve Meuse
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Antenna stacking distance
To: "Ed Swiderski, KU4BP"
Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
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Ed Swiderski, KU4BP expunged (ku4bp@triad.rr.com):
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm in the planning stages on a home station and was wondering about the
> stackiing distance for antennas for multiple bands. My plan is for 3, maybe
> 4 on one mast or two medium size towers with 2 each. I have 16el on 2m, 18el
> on 432 and plans are for 5el on 6m and 220 is in the works. I've seen a
> couple solutions and was wondering what has worked best for you. One was to
> mount the lower freq beam a distance of half the boom length of the higher
> freq beam that's above it. Another was use the stacking distance
> calculations provided by the manufacturer. Which says to mount the higher
> freq beam at half the stacking distance of the lower beam.
>
> Can anyone shed some light or provide some links, formaulas etc on the
> proper way to stack multiple beams of different freqs on a single mast?
Go to http://www.directivesystems.com/ and look under "App Notes". Dave has a
really
good article about just what you're asking.
-Steve
N1JFU
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 07:03:59 -0800
From: "Jim Forsyth"
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] poll cont...
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> and YES, there are allot of stations they could have worked but don't,
Just to be sure I am understanding you correctly. We are talking about the
N6NB rover team and you are asserting that there are a lot of stations that
they deliberately do not work.
Do I have your position correctly?
Jim, AF6O
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:59:39 -0500
From: Radioman
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] poll cont...
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Again,
i did say East Coast, and if your going to argue with one other member about
captive rovers then, then maby it should be dropped. before it continues
for months
cause its in plane view your not listening..
Tony
Jim Forsyth wrote:
>>and YES, there are allot of stations they could have worked but don't,
>>
>>
>
>Just to be sure I am understanding you correctly. We are talking about the
>N6NB rover team and you are asserting that there are a lot of stations that
>they deliberately do not work.
>
>Do I have your position correctly?
>
>Jim, AF6O
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:08:30 EST
From: N6MU1@aol.com
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Some Real Rover Data
To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
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I'm getting tired of being accused of being a captive rover who only works
other rovers while 500 feet apart. Here's some real data from the June contest
and is typical of our operations. The team of N6MU and N6HC had the top Rover
score. We travelled with W6XD while activating 16 grids here in CA. Of the 21
hours of operation only 4 were spent working W6XD. The other 17 were spent
working everyone we could hear and generated 354 Qs. Captive rover? Many
stations
were worked on multiple bands from multiple grids. Captive rover? Like
everyone else, a great deal of time was spent chasing DX on 6 resulting in 58
grids
on that band. Captive rover? Stations like VE7AHA, KB0HH, K7CW, VA6AN and
AL1VE/R were worked from multiple grids. Captive rover?
These accusations are simply not true! Also, creating a separate category for
less than 10 and probably less than 5 stations makes no sense to me. 73...
John, N6MU
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:23:24 -0800
From: "Jim Forsyth"
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] poll cont...
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Well you have no rational case to make so I will leave you with the
following:
I live in Southern California and when the N6NB rovers come through here I
work them and I hear them working other stations, lots of them. Even when
they were roving in Texas I still worked them on 6.
The above statement is a FACT and it proves you wrong.
The following is OPINION:
Why wouldn't they work everybody they can it makes no sense not to, they get
a bigger score that way. They have nothing to gain by not working other
stations.
Jim, AF6O
> Again,
> i did say East Coast, and if your going to argue with one other member
> about
> captive rovers then, then maby it should be dropped. before it continues
> for months
> cause its in plane view your not listening..
>
> Tony
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