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Re: [TowerTalk] heavy duty rotators

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] heavy duty rotators
From: <john@kk9a.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:49:04 -0400
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Definitely a rotator can be made with parts from WW Grainger. Years ago
Telrex made a very simple but heavy-duty rotator using an industrial motor,
gearbox and selsyn indicator.  I used one for a decade and never had an
issue.

John KK9A


Lux, Jim wrote:

I wonder if there might be a case for a major design approach change for 
rotators.

As noted in the recent thread, prop pitch rotators are getting rarer.

A similar phenomenon occurred with horse hot walkers - they used to be 
made from the rear end of a vehicle, a standard transmission set into 
first or reverse, (both from a junk yard) and a belt drive from an 
induction motor to the transmission.  But over the years, cheap surplus 
transmissions and rear ends have become more rare. So now it's an off 
the shelf right angle drive and induction motor and controller.

These days variable speed drives for 3 phase induction motors are pretty 
inexpensive ($150 for a single phase input, 1/2HP).  One can get a 
small, TENV  motor for about $500 (washdown, 1/2 HP, Leeson).  You'd 
need a gearbox, which is probably another $500 to get from 1800 RPM down 
to 18 RPM (and you'd just run the motor slower, because what you want is 
something like 1 RPM) I've not gone through the catalogs, but 100:1 is a 
standard ratio.

You'd probably want some sort of slip clutch to limit the torque loads 
(or not, if the gearbox can be back driven or is "strong enough").

But you could do this all with off-the-shelf commodity components that 
are specified for use in the appropriate environments. The value added 
in a product would be the bracketry, and the kitting. (I.e. Sure you 
could cobble your own together, but it's easier to just pay $4000 and 
get a box delivered to you).

3 phase induction motors are nearly indestructible, and if you DO need 
to repair/replace it, they're standardized and there's a hundreds of 
motor shops to do it.

Weather seals for such items are standard items.

Probably the big issue might be that the motors are 208-240V, but you're 
running at low speed, so running it off 1/2 voltage is probably viable. 
Or find a 120V single phase PSC in the right package that your 
controller can start.

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