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Re: [TowerTalk] OptiBeam OB2-40M

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OptiBeam OB2-40M
From: N4ZR <n4zr@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 18:52:43 -0400
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The only thing I know of is K7LXC/N0AX's tribander test which was done a long time ago, like in 1998.  Because of that, many of the antennas in the test have been superseded, and if anyone is masochistic enough to repeat that rather demanding process, we would all be benefited.  K7LXC may still have copies for sale.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 5/23/2021 4:31 PM, Mike Zak wrote:
Is there a paper, article, YouTube video, Powerpoint deck, chapter in a book, 
website, message-in-a-bottle, or anything else, that clearly and succinctly 
describes the trade-offs and interactions between yagi gain, pattern, and match?

A 15 minute session with EZNEC, and a candidate yagi design, is plenty adequate for showing that 
there’s some serious systems engineering involved in coming up with the right set of 
trade-offs, starting with “which problem are we trying to solve?”  But few of us are 
ever going to capture the ideal design and then fabricate it.  So maybe if there was some insight 
around these tradeoffs we could all do a better job with our selections of commercially available 
products.

Did W4RNL ever do anything along these lines? Or W2PV?  How about the Telrex 
archives?  Anyone have any suggestions for something that is readable by mere 
mortals?

Mike, W1MU



From: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces@contesting.com> on behalf of Jim Brown 
<jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-To: "jim@audiosystemsgroup.com" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 3:11 PM
To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OptiBeam OB2-40M

YES! SWR is NOT an indicator of antenna performance.

73, Jim K9YC

On 5/23/2021 9:40 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:29 AM, VE6WZ_Steve wrote:
I have received a few direct email questions about this thread…..
Just to be clear, the reason for inductor switching at the Yagi
elements is NOT only to get a “good, low SWR" match at the driver.

The “SWR” and “matching” at the feedpoint is really NOT the issue.

The real issue is tuning the REFLECTOR across the band.  That is what
determines the gain and F/B performance.
The PARASITIC element needs to be incremented across the band to
maintain maximum gain and F/B performance.

Yagi SWR has very little to do with performance.

Steve, ve6wz


Another great posting from Steve.  It seems like this point
has to be constantly repeated on TT to counteract marketing
hype and wishful thinking.  When I first got my MonstIR,
I did some experiments where I set the tuning for 40 CW
and then QSY'ed to 40 phone, without retuning the MonstIR.
Of course the SWR went way up.  I then used the custom
tuning feature to tweak just the driven element for SWR.
This did improve the VSWR somewhat, but the gain and F/B
were still lousy.  SWR bandwidth doesn't equal pattern
bandwidth.  And the MonstIR is a full size 3 element
design (yes, 70 foot elements), so it will tend to do
better than a shortened 2 element.

Rick N6RK
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