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Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical dipole other choices?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical dipole other choices?
From: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:03:29 -0700
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On 10/20/20 10:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 10/20/2020 9:42 AM, k7lxc--- via TowerTalk wrote:
  So what other manufacturers of vertical dipoles would be worth doing business with?
Certainly those that you and N0AX tested 2o years ago. Like any 
vertical, their performance will depend on soil conductivity, and they 
will work a bit better if roof mounted.
I think though, Steve LXC was interest in vertical dipoles (recognizing 
that some multiband verticals are quasi dipoles, albeit with very 
unequal lengths).
Isn't the GAP vertical series also a vertical dipole (off center fed)?

Except that the Greyline depends on having a tuner/matching network at the bottom to deal with the mismatch.
Essentially, it seems this no different conceptually than an 
electrically short horizontal dipole with a tuner at the feedpoint - 
with modern tuners, etc., I think this is pretty viable.  You make the 
dipole short enough that you don't get weird high order lobes (like you 
would with, say, a 40 foot vertical against a groundplane or radials on 
10 meter band).
Most of the commentary on the various forums seems more about the 
business practices than the actual antenna design.  Maybe it's a "you 
can't get there from here for that price" kind of scenario.
It's complicated, supply chain-wise, by the fact that the matching 
network is an integral part of the system - it's not a "go get aluminum 
tubing, cut to size, add bracketry and make the kit".
I think also, without much information, that the idea of essentially 
converting a flagpole design is a clever one. And one that could be done 
by anyone - You make a deal with a flagpole manufacturer to either build 
it with the insulators & holes in the right places, or you do that as a 
modification step.
Just browsing through the Home Depot website, for instance, you can find 
a 20 ft aluminum flag pole for $150.
But you go to commercial flagpoles and a 30 footer is a bit pricier. 
Upwards of $600.  Sectional poles (which I assume come in smaller 
lengths that you assemble, which might be better for antenna use) are in 
that bucket for a 25 footer.

https://www.united-states-flag.com/commercial-grade-sectional-25-ft-flagpole-satin.html. says good to 69 mi/hr without a flag.
It doesn't give any information on the lengths of the segments, but you 
could probably figure it out.







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