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Re: [TowerTalk] Verticals on a Hill

To: Wes <wes_n7ws@triconet.org>, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Verticals on a Hill
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 11:55:47 -0800
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My verticals on the beach use 2 elevated resonant radials and had great results. There are lower losses because of the saltwater side but the significant improvement IMO is due to the very low angle gain improvement from the near and far field effects of the salt water.

Landward, the pattern is just like any similar vertical over regular earth. Some put beach verticals up with radials in contact with the earth, but then they are in contact with a lossy material, which defeats much of the benefit IMO. If a "no touch" multiband radial system is a requirement then maybe that is an acceptable tradeoff if a standard radial complement is used. I use banana plug jumpers to make my elevated radials quickly adaptable to 2 or 3 bands 20 > 10m. A telescopic whip tunes to resonance, usually low 30's ohms. A CrankIR for 40 and up.

At the North Cooks, the 160m extended CrankIR vertical performed very well near the beach, but the single elevated radial voltages were truly awesome. The vagaries of 160m prop are beyond my pay grade, but for 80m I don't think there is much debate about lowest angle is best for long haul DX.

Grant KZ1W

On 1/20/2019 10:23 AM, Wes wrote:
Personally, I don't understand all of the fuss about HFTA.  In the general case (sans 200' towers), aren't you pretty much stuck with your environment with little to do about it?

But regarding the benefits of saltwater locations, I wonder whether they are the result of lower angle radiation peaks or simply the increased efficiency of the ground plane.  In this query I'm considering 80-meters and more particularly Topband, where higher angles that get through the E layer quicker can be beneficial.

Wes  N7WS


On 1/20/2019 9:59 AM, VE6WZ_Steve wrote:
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This analysis of an 80m vertical over sloping ground certainly shows that a  significant low-angle gain benefit of up to 11dB over a flat terrain vertical.  I include a comparison to other plots from Johns book showing how a vertical over saltwater shows a similar outstanding low-angle response, which we have all heard in action from various well place DX-peds on the saltwater.  I extrapolate this to 160m.


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