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Re: [TowerTalk] Fluid pressure of concrete

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fluid pressure of concrete
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:10:00 -0700
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The link you quote does a good job of explaining the situation but it only briefly mentions an additional factor other than the weight of the concrete itself, which is the dynamic lateral force caused by the concrete falling from some height above the pour.  That can be considerable, and in my case caused a couple of blowouts while the concrete was being poured in the ICF forms of my house.  If you consider the volume in the column of concrete in a typical pour falling from a height of whatever, and then slamming into the still fluid concrete that had already been poured, the net impact can be significant.   I'm sure there are ways of calculating that effect, but it's pretty complicated since it depends upon the uncertain volume of the column and the viscosity of the already poured material.  As you say, the best strategy is to overbuild.

I'd also like to point out a lesser potential issue, which is the fact that the wood used in most concrete forms can soften when wet. Walls that are rigid when dry bow outward if not braced really well, and joints can separate as nails or screws pull out of the soft wood ... the latter situation being why it is a good idea to try to put fasteners in shear (versus tension) whenever possible.

Just some thoughts ...

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 10/13/2018 5:49 AM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I studied this 30+ years ago... when I was an engineering co-op tasked with
building a rail loading platform (but EE, so I needed to figure it out.)
The strategy to build a form is to basically overbuild.

Pressure is dynamic, so you solve for peak for most pours, which occurs
just before the first bit of a pour sets. Here's a site I found that
explains the general calculations and the process. I'm interested why you
ask...

https://theconstructor.org/building/concrete-formwork-loads-pressure-calculations/14521/

Mickey Baker, N4MB
Palm Beach Gardens
*“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me,
and I will learn.” *Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.


On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 7:30 AM Larry Horlick <llhorlick@gmail.com> wrote:

Can anyone tell me the fluid pressure at the bottom of a concrete pour,
form size 8’ x 8’ x 6’?

Larry
VO1FOG
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