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Re: [TowerTalk] Pulling coax through PVC pipe

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pulling coax through PVC pipe
From: Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 07:40:20 -0600
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Yes there are wire pulling lubricants available at your local big box store.  Use plenty, be lavish, it won't hurt your wires or conduit and it will make the job easier. You don't have a real tight fit (cables to ID of conduit) but you can cause yourself a problem if you make a bulge where you connect the old to the new if you use the old to pull the new.

If it were me I would consider using the existing cable to pull a stout string which in turn would pull a stout rope or wire cable which would be used to pull the new cable. Another consideration is wether to leave the old 14-2 in the conduit or to remove it and put it back with the new coax.  I recommend removing the 14-2 when removing the old coax and re-pulling it at the same time as the new coax. Why, you say?

Pulling the coax into the conduit with 14-2 already in it has friction between the irregular 14-2 and the new coax that can cause problems pulling the new coax. When re-pulling the 14-2 at same time as coax there is no relative motion between the coax and 14-2, only between the coax plus 14-2 vs the ID of the conduit which is much smoother than the 14-2.  Is this last bit of "finesse" required?  Maybe. You might be lucky and not need to use the above approach and have everything just go easy and smooth. Doesn't happen often for me, hence the "self defense" strategy.

I recommend the Chinese finger grabbers to connect pulling ropes or wire cables to the coax and 14-2.

Best of luck to you.

Patrick        NJ5G


On 1/27/2018 10:16 AM, Dave Sublette wrote:
Good morning,

28 years ago I buried a 1.5 inch schedule 40 PVC pipe in the ground and ran 
some low loss coax and a three wire electrical control cable (14-2 house wiring 
cable).  The 14-2 is used to operate a remotely control phasing box for my 80 
meter four square.  The coax feeds either my 160 vertical or the 80M array.

Well it’s time to replace the coax.  The PVC pipe is 250 feet long and in a straight 
line(thankfully).  I suspect I will have to pull both cables with the new cables tied to the end.  
I’ve never done this before and could use a little advice.  I googled but most of what I found 
started with empty pipe and ran a “string mouse” through with a shopvac. When I installed the 
cables initially, I laid them out on the ground and slipped the pipe over them ten feet at a time. 
Fortunately, there is a fair amount of room left in the pipe.  The two cables did not fill up the space 
entirely.

My first question is if there is some sort of lubricant I should use to reduce 
friction?

That’s also my last question, but I know there must be several things to consider I am 
betting that this group has the answers. I have a come-along, a tractor, and a fair amount of 
tools.  I’m just not sure how to proceed.

I am eager to see what you all have to say.

Thanks.

Dave, K4TO
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