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Re: [TowerTalk] Re another w51

To: Clay Autery <cautery@montac.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Re another w51
From: Skip via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Skip <kj6y@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 06:28:55 -0700
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I have a W-51 for sale on my web site if anyones interested.

Skip, KJ6Y
818-522-5421 cell
Communications Service Co
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> On Jun 10, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Clay Autery <cautery@montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Sir, as respectfully as I can....
> 
> IF you are going to ignore our repeated and unanimous? recommendations,
> then please do us the courtesy of NOT lecturing us about it.
> 
> Or at least write the lecture better and in a format we can slog through
> in order to spot your glaring engineering/fab procedure mistakes (if
> any... there always are, even with professional engineers).
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/10/2017 5:57 AM, southbound suarez wrote:
>> Yes, I have studied the Tashjian website and have even spoke with a 
>> representative on the phone.
>> Unfortinately their online and openly published documentation in my opinion 
>> quite vaugue and incomplete with respect to designing and fabricating your 
>> own base.  I would make a guess that a decent amount of marketabilty for 
>> them comes from design services. They will sell a service and paper packaged 
>> presentation with engineering wet stamp of your older second hand tower 
>> revised with reccomendations and recaculated to new standards. They also 
>> have a more basic set of generic instructions that they will ship with new 
>> base purchase.
>> The base with suggested installation instructions with example for areas 
>> with adobe type soil conditions are similiar is included for $395 plus $200 
>> shipping.
>> This might be very necessary if you require inspection. I am headed right 
>> near there this weekend and considered just paying the $400 and picking it 
>> up in person. However,,  they dont carry these pieces in stock and there is 
>> a whole proccess of placing the order and the sales staff places the build 
>> ticket with the production dept. and a notice to notify the proper design 
>> staff who orders the material and sends it to fab who builds it in the order 
>> recieved. After its finished it has to be sent off for galvinizing. In other 
>> words it wont be ready ...... ready for several weeks up to couple months 
>> and certainly not this same weekend I am traveling thru there. So now we are 
>> looking at $600 to have it shipped! I am so impatient i would have been 
>> compulsed to pay $400 with the mindset that I am getting some limited 
>> factory support for a twenty something old tower. (the fact that they 
>> support old tower that predates their interest in the TriEx company is 
>> really worth a premium) A
 s
>  I
>>  mentioned before I am impatient and I also draw the line at $600 to have to 
>> wait up to ? Months?
>> Their written review service without any design considerations of your old 
>> tower cost $200
>> If I was for sure going to be inspected I would buy that....
>> As far as detailed erection instructions it appears they are going to need 
>> to be reimbursed.
>> Man! Go look at all the design details and information that US TOWERS makes 
>> avail on their site..... So much for proprietary information. I am acquiring 
>> my rebar and doing concrete work as per US Tower info.... still no 
>> fabrication of actual base stubs. I did acquire 3/8 steel plate tho...... 
>> that appears to match that of the tower legs.
>> Should I be bumping  that up to.1/2 instead?
>> I agree that 3/4" holes perfectly lined up in  1/2" steal isnt something 
>> that you are going to do with a step bit and a cordless dewalt.
>> It is my similar thought that these holes would likely be a job for 
>> Bridgeport or similiar milling machine.
>> As for the steel alloy? Anyone offer up a clue? Also need the size and type 
>> of rebar that is used to weld onto the tabs?
>> That no weld method sounds like kinda iffy with using angle? I Do notice 
>> that US Tower does similiar with anchor bolts. I just rather see more metal 
>> from the legs going into the concrete below than welded to a top plate. I 
>> saw one where the guy welded gussets . That seemed a bit better. US Tower 
>> definately does alot of rebar work to keep those anchor bolts from pulling 
>> out. I Am building my cage similiar with 2#6 per corner and the 20 #3 ties
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