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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] lightning protection at towers and bunkers on former AT&T microwave relay sites
From: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 05:23:01 -0700
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On 5/20/17 2:12 AM, David J "Dave" Windisch wrote:
Hi, all concerned:



Tks much for the speedy replies and suggestions.



Searched NFPA discussion site and found no refs to the Nott Ltd "porcupine
device" debunking mentioned in this thread.

Anybody have a cite, pls?

You're looking for a citation on the debunking?

As far as the claims on porcupines or spider balls...from my page on lightning and antennas at http://home.earthlink.net/~w6rmk/lightning.htm

Abdul M. Mousa, “The Applicability of Lightning Elimination Devices to Substations and Power Lines,” IEEE Transactions on Power Delivery, Vol. 13, No. 4, Oct. 1998m pp. 1120-1127.

Paper was peer-reviewed by six reviewers under threat of lawsuits. Paper states that these devices do not work as the manufacturers claim.


1997 Report on Dissipation Arrays, funded by FAA, Naval Research Labs, NASA, and USAF

The report, 274 pp., compiled by 17 scientists and engineers from around the world, provides no definitive physical or theoretical evidence that lightning dissipation arrays prevent lightning. The USAF presented photos showing the arrays being hit by lightning.

"Scientists Oppose Early Streamer Air Terminals", A paper by Abdul Mousa, posted on the referenced site with his permission:

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/charge_transfer_opp.html

"Charge Transfer System is Wishful Thinking, Not Science" from Charles Moore, at the Langmuir Lab in New Mexico. Includes the following statement: "It is now well established that surface conditions have little to do with the initiation of cloud-to-ground lightning discharges, high in thunderclouds."

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/charge_transfer.html

William Rison has a nice paper that covers all this. "There Is No Magic To Lightning Protection: Charge Transfer Systems Do Not Prevent Lightning Strikes "

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/magic.pdf

And finally, a paper by Uman and Rakov (who have forgotten more about lightning than any reader of this page probably knows) in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Dec 2002 issue: "A Critical Review of Nonconventional Approaches to Lightning Protection"

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/Uman_Rakov.pdf




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