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Re: [TowerTalk] Strange behavior

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Strange behavior
From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 22:09:27 -0500
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Look a Northern MI, MI, MN, and mountainous regions. In some areas the declination is ridiculous. If you want the actual declination for an area spend some money and get an aeronautical chart for the region containing the specific location. There are many, drastic, variations locally from the norm for that area.

If you are in any of the Northern states, be it New England, Mi or Montana, the declination changes, albeit slowly. The declination here has gone from W to E, or the other way...I've forgotten as I haven't flown in close to 10 years. The point is, in the 20 years I was an active pilot, the declination changed almost 10 degrees. I've never noticed the skew others have mentioned, but I've never had antennas with a narrow beam width on 160, 75, or 40 and rarely work gray line on any band.

73, Roger (K8RI)


On 1/22/2017 12:15 PM, StellarCAT wrote:
15? Skewed?

That would be quite a rarity. Most of the time signals on all bands are direct with skew propagation being more common on the lower bands and usually only at transition points - i.e. sunrise/sunset. Note to those ready to pounce - I'm not saying it doesn't happen - it is just much more infrequent and one should pretty well know most of the time that EU is roughly at 45 deg.

Magnetic deviation can account for up to about 12 deg in some places in the US (here in the east 6 if I remember right, in AZ it was 11)...

but by 45 deg?! That is REALLY strange...

Gary
K9RX



-----Original Message----- From: Richard Solomon
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:23 AM
To: towertalk
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Strange behavior

How about using the Compass App
on your SmartPhone ?

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:59 AM, <john@kk9a.com> wrote:

I am trying to avoid the true north thread however I would verify that they
are indeed pointing 45 degrees when you beam Europe. A compass can be
inaccurate around a lot of metal or if not level and it is measuring
magnetic north. If you use Google earth you can pick an object 45 degrees from your tower and see if you beam is pointing that direction. Since you
multiple towers and beams it is possible that something is skewing the
pattern or that you have skewed propagation under these poor conditions but
I would visually look at the direction one more time using a different
direction method.

John KK9A

To:     <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject:        [TowerTalk] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Strange behavior
From:   "Carol Richards" <n2mm@comcast.net>
Date:   Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:35:57 -0500

Hello all,

In late summer, I had some minor work done on my towers and antennas. I
used
a compass so that the beams were lined up correctly with N at 0 degrees and NE at 45 degrees, EU direction. All monoband yagis have not loosened up, but that EU now peaks at due East on all three yagis, separate towers, The other directions behave properly; N to JA, W to the Pacific etc. Can anyone explain why the change? There is about 15 db difference in signals from EU
at 90 degrees and EU at 45 degrees?

I understand that EU on 15m would be skewed at this point in the cycle, but
40m and 20m?



Carol

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