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Re: [TowerTalk] Fair rite materials for choke baluns

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fair rite materials for choke baluns
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:49:21 -0700
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On Sun,7/3/2016 10:05 AM, Steve Hunt wrote:
The #52 mix is readily available in size "240" toroids

I didn't find this part in the Fair-Rite catalog because the assigned part number is for an inductive component, not for suppression. Many ferrite materials are useful as inductive components at lower frequencies and as suppression components at higher frequencies, so your measurements are not surprising given the material specs (see p 11 in the 17th edition of the Fair-Rite catalog).

BUT -- Fair-Rite controls specs based on their intended use, so inductive components are controlled for inductance, but NOT for loss impedance, and suppression components are controlled for suppression impedance and not for inductance. For example -- you can buy a #43 2.4-in o.d. toroid controlled for impedance as Fair-Rite 2643803802. The same size #43 toroid controlled for inductance is 5943003801.

This may seem picky to those who have not worked in component manufacturing or as a circuit designer, but those of us who have certainly understand the difference. Some components come off the production line with relatively wide specs, and are sorted by measured performance for one or more parameters. Those that meet one set of performance tolerance specs get one part number, those that meet a different set get a different one.

BTW -- it should be noted that Fair-Rite does sell some #61 parts with suppression part numbers, but NOT the 2.4-in o.d. toroid. They made the right call on that one -- #61 is not sufficiently lossy at HF to be useful for suppression because the Q of the circuit resonance is too high. They DO sell smaller #61 components for suppression. They ARE lossy enough at high VHF and low UHF to be effective for use at those frequencies. For example, a single 0461164181 clamp-on resonates around 450 MHz, and multiple turns through it would move the resonance down to about 2M. 0461176451 resonates around 250 MHz, and two turns would move it down to about 2M. In both cases, Z at resonance would increase by a factor of 2-3.

73, Jim K9YC

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