I don't know about anyone else but frankly I'm tired of being subjected to
having to read vicious and I believe unwarranted attacks on others on this
reflector. Obviously no one here can help although many have put forth some
ideas to pursue and tried to assist. Let's just stop going on about
someone's personal 'problem' and get back to Towertalk basics, OK?
Don W7WLL
-----Original Message-----
From: Lizeth Norman
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 6:01 AM
To: Mickey Baker
Cc: ve4xt@mymts.net ; towertalk ; K7LXC@aol.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] More from the M2 antennas quality control file
Wow!! For an engineer, you seem to have a great deal of psychiatric
knowledge. Are you a doctor? Attend medical school? Practicing
medicine with out a license is a felony punishable by jail time here
in FL! Just how did you become so knowledgeable, anyway?? Inquiring
minds want to know!!
Feel free to attempt your sorry methods of intimidation somewhere
else. People like you don't reach me anymore. As long as I tell the
truth, I can look in the mirror.
Continue writing as much as you'd like. That does not change the pictures.
You did look at the pictures, right??
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Norm,
At the ripe old age of 40-something, you seem to have not learned a lot
about being a human being.
You keep referring to Six Sigma, a method of quality control that didn't
come into vogue until the 1990's. Those of us who have engineering
educations prior to that know that it is a packaged rehash of methods
developed by the telcos and the Japanese with Pop martial arts influences.
You might want to brush up on your QA vernacular.
My private message to you last night was polite and well written, and
cautioned that perhaps your abrupt, rude approach was counter productive.
Your reply was another personal attack directed at me. Since then, you
have
escalated your rant here.
It is obvious to all of us who are students of human behavior that you're
an
unhappy person probably going through more stressful events than an
antenna
problem. Most engineers that I know (and I know a lot of them) would spend
the time and energy actually addressing the problem at hand and getting an
antenna up rather than attacking a well respected manufacturer in a public
forum or yelling at them over the telephone or in email
I must tell you that I'm embarrassed for you and actually feel sorry for
you. Why don't you stop this now, take some time for introspection today
and
perhaps read what you've written? $700 isn't worth the stress you're
putting
yourself through, nor the negative Karma you're generating for yourself in
the small amateur community.
Move on.
73,
Mickey N4MB
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015, Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@gmail.com> wrote:
Astroturfing is the act of attempting to intimidate someone by piling
on and loading up on baseless accusations. This is usually done by
individuals with MONEY interests in the subject at hand.
That clown did both. He deserved my ire. There's more where that came
from. Send me an astroturfing email and find out!!
I will continue to defend my position, sending nasty out when getting
nasty in, forever and ever!!!! That means any and all means.
M2 leaves much, much to be desired. They cut corners with quality
control. It shows. Have a look at the pics. Any questions? Look again.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@gmail.com>
wrote:
> So what am I supposed to do when being called a LIAR on a mailing
> reflector? Take that lying down? Not a chance.
>
> Go look at the pics. If you've got any questions, look again. 700$ for
> a box of mistakes?? NOT!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:04 AM, <ve4xt@mymts.net> wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> I'm getting quite tired of this kind of classless, gutter language on
>> the reflector.
>>
>> I have no way to challenge Norm's experience, but for him to be
>> calling
>> people liars and sacks of shit goes way, way over the line.
>>
>> Please dump this rude, arrogant idiot from the reflector.
>>
>> If he spoke to Mike the way he's speaking to Chuck, then he deserved
>> the customer-service experience he's getting. More people have praised
>> M2
>> than have agreed with Norm.
>>
>> Norm's a bully, and the vulgarity here is unbelievable.
>>
>> Someone's right to free speech in no way obligates you to propagate
>> such hateful drivel. Norm should be ashamed of himself.
>>
>> 73, Kelly
>> ve4xt
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:36 AM, "Lizeth Norman" <normanlizeth@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Chuck!
>>>
>>> I'm here to tell you that both Mike and his bride are unprintable
>>> names. I find that those type of people get EXACTLY what they
>>> deserve. In this case, I'm merely the courier of their own mistakes.
>>> Ones like cutting corners on things like QUALITY CONTROL!!!!! Look at
>>> the pics: if you've got any questions, look again.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to send you pictures of the completed antenna, the
>>> tower,
>>> the station. What would you like? I'll BE EXTREMELY HAPPY TO
>>> ILLUSTRATE WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE!!!!
>>>
>>> You, sir, personally, are a lying sack of shit who is trying to cover
>>> his buddies' ass whose pants were caught WAY WAY down. Go astroturf
>>> somewhere else. You do know what astroturfing is, right? If not,
>>> google is your friend.
>>>
>>> Don't you have a MONEY interest in this??? That makes you INELIGIBLE
>>> to have any say in what goes on here.
>>>
>>> Have a look at the pics. Feel free to weep. Look again. Those fools
>>> let a MAJOR blunder leave their factory. It's more than 50% screwed
>>> up. Not only that, I own it. Moreover, the documentation and item are
>>> available for inspection in EL89va at any reasonable time of day. My
>>> qth is less than 2 miles from I-75 as the crow flies.
>>>
>>> Look at the pics. If you need, get a new pair of glasses. If there's
>>> still a problem, visit a psychiatrist.
>>>
>>> I will continue to defend my UNASSAILABLE position as long as I still
>>> have breath. 50% of a $700 antenna that's broken is unacceptable!
>>>
>>> HERE'S A CLUE FOR YOU, FOOL! I'm 42 and have been a ham 20 years.
>>> Not
>>> only do I know the truth, odds are I'll be around a while to tell it.
>>>
>>> Feel free to soak your head. While you're there, tell Mike and that
>>> ignorant c@nt (oops, I decided to name a name!! Bad me!!) he's
>>> married
>>> to I said hi!
>>>
>>> Norman J McSweyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Chuck Smallhouse
>>>> <w7cs@theriver.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I have personally known Mike and Myrna for at least 40 years, way
>>>> back when
>>>> they were the M of KLM. I consider them as some of my dearest ham
>>>> friends.
>>>>
>>>> I can't imagine Myrna ever raising her voice. Mike can be a bit
>>>> feisty,
>>>> especially when someone challenges his integrity, as apparently you
>>>> did,
>>>> when you realized that you couldn't read instructions as well as you
>>>> thought, and came down on him.
>>>>
>>>> As someone posted, cross polarity antennas that are designed and
>>>> manufactured by some, do not probably have the same size vertical
>>>> and
>>>> horizontal elements, adjacent to each other, but often 90 degrees,
>>>> or
>>>> a 1/4
>>>> w/l apart. This allows a simplified phasing harness to be used, if
>>>> the
>>>> operator would like to operate the antenna in circular polarity.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly doubt that you have even tried to assemble this Cross Pol
>>>> antenna, let alone made any measurements because if the element
>>>> lengths are
>>>> as wrong as you indicate, or placed in incorrect locations, you
>>>> would
>>>> not
>>>> see a good VSWR at the antennas design frequency. I would question
>>>> about
>>>> how you claim that you measured its pattern and side lobes.
>>>> Certainly not
>>>> using sun noise, as that single antenna has insufficient gain to do
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that you will now take your undeserved rants away from this
>>>> reflector. I believe that the readers are beginning to understand
>>>> from
>>>> where you are coming.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck, W7CS
>>>>
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