Btw not just 2m but any ham system could be affected. This has vast trickle
down and unintended consequences fall out issues.
Paul
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> On Feb 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Paul Gilbert <ke5zw@wt.net> wrote:
>
> Keep in mid that many ham repeaters are co located on towers Taft may be
> impacted by this bill and what may happen due to costs or loading issues.
> Paul
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Gary J - N5BAA <qltfnish@omniglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> A number of members of our Ham Club are requesting a meeting with our State
>> Rep (Rep Murr) tomorrow to get clarification on this subject regulation/law.
>> We are also elevating it up to ARRL to have their legal people contact the
>> legal people in Texas for a definitive ruling. There needs to be a clear
>> definition about Ham Radio Towers or guess what - many many 2M repeater
>> towers around the state which are not located near QTH's will become
>> headaches beyond comprehension.
>>
>> Gary J
>> N5BAA
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Gilbert
>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 10:51 AM
>> To: dillo@armadillo.org
>> Cc: L L bahr ; towertalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [DILLO] Re: New Proposed Texas Tower Regulation
>>
>> As they say in the movie..... "Cabolaro"....Cowboy....
>>
>> We have pilots in our group....
>>
>> What are the regs covering this type of work.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>> On 2/8/15 10:41 AM, Wm5l wrote:
>>> I can only speak from limited experience about crop dusters. I grew up
>>> farming cotton, corn, wheat and milo in Hill county in high school. We used
>>> aircraft a lot to spray the crops. I knew one pilot that was killed when
>>> showing off, doing stunts in his duster like flying below telephone lines.
>>> They used to laugh and brag about coming back to the strip and having
>>> Cotton boll's hung in the landing gear. Personally I am fascinated by
>>> aviation but some of the antics displayed by some of these pilots are
>>> insane! Just last year while living next to the airport in ElDorado, TX I
>>> went over and spoke to one of the guys dusting one afternoon while he was
>>> refilling his chemicals that he was spraying. I asked him why I never heard
>>> him on 123.0 calling approach and departure on my scanner as it is an
>>> uncontrolled airport. He stated "we don't ever do that we just do our own
>>> thing". It would seem to me that some common sense or basic safety
>>> practices might eliminate all this nonsense. Jim WM5L.
>>>
>>> Sent from Big Jim's iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 10:07, Mike Simpson - Midcom, Inc. <mike@midcom.org
>>>> <mailto:mike@midcom.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Paul, I also find it somewhat ironic and a bit amusing that the onus for
>>>> rule implementation (and even enforcement?!?!) of this bill, should it
>>>> become law…gets tossed right back in your very own department’s lap!
>>>> Wonder if that will mean you personally, since you are their “go-to” comms
>>>> guy!
>>>>
>>>> If so, your current “Army of one” will need some serious new manpower! J
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Paul Gilbert [mailto:ke5zw@wt.net]
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:58 AM
>>>> *To:* dillo@armadillo.org <mailto:dillo@armadillo.org>; L L bahr
>>>> *Cc:* towertalk@contesting.com <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>;
>>>> Armadillo Mailing List
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DILLO] Re: [TowerTalk] New Proposed Texas Tower Regulation
>>>>
>>>> We had a 35 foot wooden telephone pole at the office in Anauhac. It use to
>>>> have a lowband ant and a VHF DB264 on it. I had to do a FAA determination
>>>> and then circularize it for approve at 45 feet due to the proximity to the
>>>> local airfield.
>>>>
>>>> Even without the antennas, the FAA wanted a "steady burning red light" on
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> We built a tower in Winnie and removed the pole.
>>>>
>>>> However, this bill really has nothing to do with the FAA jurisdiction.
>>>>
>>>> In fact the FAA told the crop dusters, that the towers are legal under
>>>> their rules and nothing else could be done by the FAA
>>>>
>>>> Interesting fact, the tower owners COULD voluntarily paint and light the
>>>> towers.
>>>>
>>>> Mostly what the dusters are after are the meteorology towers located in
>>>> wind farms which are often located in crop fields.
>>>>
>>>> Drive around West Texas, you will see them everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> But if you paint and light voluntarily, from that day on you are required
>>>> to do so just as if you were mandated to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Now this bill proposes to create a state level of mandated marking and
>>>> painting (interesting they did not include lighting, but I guess crop
>>>> dusters do not fly at night) to towers that the FAA will not extend
>>>> mandated marking to.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me this is overreach by state rule into a federal rule
>>>> area...among other issues.
>>>>
>>>> I also thought crop dusters had certain procedures they had to follow
>>>> before dusting a field....like go look at it for obstructions and have
>>>> spotters?
>>>>
>>>> Paul,ZW
>>>>
>>>> On 2/8/15 8:50 AM, Joe Jarrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To further this discussion, even a relatively short tower at
>>>> a residence could be at an illegal height. It has to do with how
>>>> close you are to an airport. Do you know how close your nearest
>>>> airport is? I bet you don't.
>>>>
>>>> There is a test available on the Internet called Towair. Google
>>>> Tow air, enter a lat and long and a tower height and the software
>>>> will tell you if your tower is legal.
>>>>
>>>> For example, I ran a 40 foot tower in Lakeway about 200 yards
>>>> back into where all the houses are. Towair told me that such a
>>>> tower would require registration with the FAA and might require
>>>> lighting. Some of the houses there are close to 40 ft high!
>>>>
>>>> Joe Jarrett
>>>>
>>>> Texas State APCO Frequency Coordinator
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Mark Stennett <mailto:Mark@stennett.com>
>>>>
>>>> *To:*Kim Elmore <mailto:cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net> ; L L bahr
>>>> <mailto:pulsarxp@embarqmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Cc:*towertalk@contesting.com <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Saturday, February 07, 2015 10:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*[DILLO] Re: [TowerTalk] New Proposed Texas Tower
>>>> Regulation
>>>>
>>>> No tower is exempt from FAA siting requirements, regardless
>>>> of height. You wouldn't put a 10 foot tower at the base of a
>>>> runway, would you? All structures, permanent or temporary
>>>> have to pass a number of FAA tests, including slope. Until
>>>> recentl, I worked in broadcast radio doing engineering work
>>>> for the last 30 years, 20 of those on a corporate level. We
>>>> acquired a radio station once that had a studio microwave
>>>> tower that was 60 foot tall. Even though it was at least 10
>>>> feet shorter than the surrounding tree line, it was required
>>>> to bear an Antenna Structure Registration Number and be top
>>>> lit due to proximity to a local airport. It did not pass the
>>>> slope test.
>>>>
>>>> This is a very sloppy bill. It would be far easier to
>>>> leverage the FAA to tighten up the temporary structure rules
>>>> than to try to make these guys tower experts. The tail is
>>>> trying to wag the dog here.
>>>>
>>>> https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/gisTools/gisAction.jsp?action=showNoNoticeRequiredToolForm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73 de na6m
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> <mailto:cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: L L bahr <pulsarxp@embarqmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:pulsarxp@embarqmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "towertalk@contesting.com"
>>>> <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>>> <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
>>>> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:30:54 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] New Proposed Texas Tower Regulation
>>>>
>>>> This comes directly from wind observing towers for wind farm
>>>> siting. They are all under 300' tell and do not subject to
>>>> FAA obstruction marking requirements. These are erected
>>>> essentially overnight and several aerial applicators have run
>>>> into them because they have no obstruction lighting or markings.
>>>>
>>>> The curtiledge languages essentially exempts almost all of us.
>>>>
>>>> Kim N5OP
>>>>
>>>> "People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least
>>>> as long as the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 11:55, "L L bahr "
>>>> <pulsarxp@embarqmail.com <mailto:pulsarxp%40embarqmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI
>>>>> Lee, w0vt
>>>> http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Text.aspx?LegSess=84R&Bill=HB946
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read and pass this to all Amateur Radio Operators
>>>> who have towers. This “COULD” be detrimental to all of us.
>>>> There are things I am not certain of that I would like
>>>> answers to or to clarify so that we could write to our
>>>> legislature to either kill this bill or more narrowly define
>>>> it so that it is not “ALL INCLUSIVE” in nature. It is my
>>>> understanding that the Crop Duster Association is behind this
>>>> because some pilot either through stupidity or an accident
>>>> killed himself by flying into an obstruction. (I have many
>>>> times pulled off the road and watched these guys. Several
>>>> times I have witnessed them doing stupid reckless maneuvers)
>>>> While I am an advocate for safety and common sense, I do not
>>>> think everyone should “PAY” for the actions of a very small
>>>> few. If a bill like this must exist, it should define a
>>>> specific distance around the “WORK/FLY ZONE” and not every
>>>> tower in the state. We should write our representatives to
>>>> kill or modify this bill.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SECTION 1. Subchapter B, Chapter 21, Transportation Code
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 21.071 (a) 1, 2, 3 clearly define “MOST” Amateur
>>>> Radio towers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 21.071 (b) 1, 2 “APPEAR” to exempt many Amateur
>>>> Radio Towers BUT does it? What is the State’s legal
>>>> definition of “curtilage”?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 21.071 (e) 2, “APPEARS” to exempt Amateur Radio
>>>> Operators as “a facility licensed by the Federal
>>>> Communications Commission or any structure with the primary
>>>> purpose of supporting telecommunications equipment” but then
>>>> goes on to specifically define commercial radio service. The
>>>> “and” seems to separate the two?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 21.071 (f) 1, 2 “REQUIRES” notice and registration.
>>>> You know FEES and PERMITS will soon follow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 21.071 (a), (b) appears to make it retroactive
>>>> after September 1, 2016.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any lawyers among us who could speak to this and
>>>> guide us in writing a proper request to our representatives
>>>> regarding this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry Lowry
>>>>>
>>>>> Radio System Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> (936) 538-3770 Shop
>>>>>
>>>>> (936) 538-3711 Direct
>>>>>
>>>>> (936) 538-3775 Fax
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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