Towertalk
[Top] [All Lists]

[TowerTalk] Common ground, different electrical feeds Frying antennas an

To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Common ground, different electrical feeds Frying antennas and finals
From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:32:39 -0500
List-post: <towertalk@contesting.com">mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
I've mentioned this before, but so far No luck.
My shop and house are on adjacent lots. They have separate electrical services. I wanted to back feed the shop from the house, but the inspector wouldn't go for it.
So I have two stations set up for SO-2R using the same antenna system.

The coax shields and the antenna grounding system ties the building grounds together. I can see no way of avoiding that without eliminating the SO2R setup, but I don't have room, or the budget for two complete antenna systems. Sure, I could eliminate the physical grounds at the rigs, but the coax still ties them together.

Now I need to find the grounding problem as the antenna system ground ties all the rigs to a common ground, yet they are on different electrical feeds. I've fried Two of the big 144/440 antennas. 1 Diamond and one Comet, plus one Comet (IIRC) took a direct lightening hit. The end element looks like it's 1/8th inch brass rod. After the strike it was about 8 or 10 inches shorter, and looked like a half used brazing rod. I've also fried the finals in a pair of 2-meter rigs. I have the same rigs and antennas in the house and nary a problem. I'm fairly sure it was not lightening that took out the antennas and finals. Finals and antennas did not fail at the same time.

Lightening, I can't do much about, but the common ground...I'm not sure if there is any way to isolate them due to the coax shields and the grounding system.

There are 2 towers and 2 masts with verticals on them. They are all tied to over 600 feet of bare #2 and 32, or 33 8' ground rods and a common point ground at each building entrance for the antennas. The problem may be one of the big 12 VDC power supplies. I've not been able to find anything amiss.

It all worked great until the bees built a nest in the AV-640 matching network. I "cleaned" the bee goo out, replaced the connectors and rewound the baluns. It worked fine for a couple of weeks but then The antenna seemed to lose most of the resonant points. A VNA does not appear to see a multi band antenna. A new antenna has the same problem. IOW, it doesn't make sense. The antenna worked great! Then, it quit as did other similar antennas, and the matching networks in the VHF antennas were fried as were the VHF finals in a pair of dual band rigs.

Near as I can tell, I'm going to have to set up a log, and proceed step by step.

This has gotten difficult as I can only work with one hand so it takes me a lot longer to work, step by step. and I've not been able to isolate it to one building, just the antennas...I think. IOW, I'm not sure about much of anything at this point.

--

73

Roger (K8RI)


_______________________________________________



_______________________________________________
TowerTalk mailing list
TowerTalk@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>
  • [TowerTalk] Common ground, different electrical feeds Frying antennas and finals, Roger (K8RI) on TT <=