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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question
From: "Ray, W4BYG" <w4byg@att.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:10:30 -0400
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Steve and Jim,
Both of you gentlemen are recognized as very knowledgeable on the subject of chokes.
So for those of us looking for testing guidance in brief, what is a good 
way to determine the resulting impedance of a given choke at a 
frequency(s) of interest, given a MiniVNA or whatever method you suggest?
I have studied both of your online compositions in detail and am left a 
bit confused by all the dialog.  Can you summarize for us?
Ray, W4BYG

On 10/31/2014 12:10 PM, Steve Hunt wrote:
Jim,

If I wind exactly the same number of turns of the same cable with identical spacing on the same-size toroids, but use two different core materials, I get very different values of equivalent C. The only thing that is different is the core material.
I initially thought the dielectric effect of the core material might 
be the significant factor; but as an experiment I built a 
parallel-plate, circular, capacitor with the toroid fitted between the 
plates, and didn't measure much change in capacitance with different 
mixes.
Steve G3TXQ


On 31/10/2014 15:17, Jim Brown wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:50 AM, Steve Hunt wrote:
If we had a good way to predict C, predicting the CM impedance of a particular choke design would be relatively straightforward.
Variables include the turn spacing, the diameter of the choke, 
diectric constant of the cable outer insulator, the dielectric 
constant of the core material, and the portion of the winding 
influenced by both. The dominant parameters are those associated with 
the windings and the air dielectric. You can see this if you study 
the graphs of 1-14 turns of small wire for the various core materials 
done by my anonymous collaborator nearly 10 years ago. He chose to be 
anonymous because he works in a well equipped scientific lab in a 
major institution, and needs to avoid professional jealousies. :)
73, Jim K9YC
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