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On 11/3/13 3:37 PM, john@kk9a.com wrote:
 
I do not think fresh water has much effect on verticals and even less on
horizontal antennas.
 
depends on how much water and how deep. That epsilon of 80 for water 
makes a huge difference. 
If nothing else, it will reduce ground losses.  Remember that "skin 
depth" at HF in soil is many meters, so if you have a very highly 
reflective layer (either by high epsilon or high sigma) a meter below 
the surface, that helps. 
http://www.antennasbyn6lf.com/files/ground_skin_depth_and_wavelength.pdf
has the equations
but, at 4MHz,
f       mu      sigma   eps     skin depth (m)
4       1       0.005   10      4.42
4       1       0.01    10      2.81
4       1       0.1     10      0.80
4       1       0.005   5       3.97
4       1       0.005   3       3.80
4       1       0.005   80      9.59
4       1       0.01    80      4.92
4       1       0.1     80      0.87
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