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Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions
From: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:38:55 -0400
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Hi Jim -

Would you like to add any comments regarding LP's. Granted, only as much "gain" as a good two or three element yagi and no killer as far as F/B is concerned, but no traps, no "critical" tuning, only one feed line, one boom and only one rotator. For that matter the TH-11 uses a small log cell, with no traps for the "driven" element(s), and combined with parasitic directors and reflectors, with relatively few traps, should be a fairly effective antenna, as should be the Tennadyn LP's
Gene / W2LU


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions


On 10/23/2013 9:10 PM, Avery Davis wrote:
TH-11DX at 34 feet?
HexBeam at 50 feet?
As to gain figures for these antennas -- around 1999-2000, Ward, N0AX, and 
Steve, K7LXC, set up and measured a dozen or so tribanders on a tower 
under carefully controlled conditions. A few years later, Tom, N6BT, did 
similar work. Both found that the CLAIMED gain numbers for all of them 
(except Tom's Force 12 designs) were wildly inflated, often by as much as 
6 dB. Two antennas that Ward and Steve measured actually had NEGATIVE gain 
as compared to a resonant dipole at the same point. You can buy a report 
on their work from K7LXC's website. It's $20 well spent. Steve also sells 
N6BT's "Array of Light," which includes his measurements and lots of 
excellent discussions of various antenna designs. I think it was $35.
One of the points that Tom made in his book (really a somewhat 
disorganized collection of essays he's published over the years) is that 
the most efficient antennas are simple monoband Yagis, and that when traps 
are added to cover multiple bands, the traps burn some of the transmitter 
power, and the shortened elements reduce radiation resistance (the part of 
the antenna impedance that accounts for radiated power), which also 
reduces gain. Thus, the gain of an ideal 2-element or 3-element Yagi is 
the BEST that can be achieved by an antenna with the same number of 
elements for that band. The advertised gain figures for the antennas that 
Ward, Steve, and Tom measured were 3-6 dB greater than for the ideal 
Yagis!
I would look at one of lighter-weight antennas that does not use traps. My 
3-element SteppIR (the original with no trombones) works very well, have 
been essentially trouble-free for the four years it's been up, and is 
lighter in weight than most other antennas you are probably considering, 
which makes it easier to install safely. It has the efficiency of an 
optimized single-band Yagi on all bands, including the WARC bands. With 
the added fixed 6M element, it's also a very good performer on that band. 
No, it's not cheap, but given your constraints, it's a very good choice. 
Even the simple 2-element SteppIR would be a good choice, and can easily 
be handled by one person. I learned that when I helped N6KJ assemble his 
for Field Day several years ago.
I'd also look at the Force 12 antennas, none of which use traps, and which 
provide very good bang for the buck.  The two that Ward and Steve measured 
were the best performers in both groups they measured -- small tribanders 
and larger tribanders.
73, Jim K9YC
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