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Re: [TowerTalk] Thoughts on towers suitable for my difficult location?

To: John E Cleeve <g3jvc@jcleeve.idps.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Thoughts on towers suitable for my difficult location?
From: "KS4TL" <ks4tl@rodentranch.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:59:00 -0400
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Very clever idea John, and there are spots on this island where it would
be very workable. Not from my lot, though - would have to get the barge
several hundred meters from the nearest water deep enough to float it,
and the lot is probably too small.

Thanks for a unique idea, though!

> Hello Jeff,
> 
> Reading through your notes, it occurred to me, that perhaps if you have 
> the access, you might consider placing the tower on a flat bottomed 
> river barge, which would obviously cope with the water/sea/land 
> variables of your site.
> 
> The pirate sea going radio stations that have been set up around EU and 
> the UK seem to cope with the extremes of weather, and yet do not 
> overturn due to the wind pressure applied to their lattice towers on 
> their floating structures.
> 
> Obviously I cannot provide the detail on how this might be done, but if 
> I were faced with a similar problem, I would look into acquiring an old 
> Thames coal barge, they are like huge sardine cans, people convert them 
> into fixed house boats. I would mount a crank up, tilt over 60ft tower 
> in the centre of the barge. Stone ballast could be placed inside the 
> barge for stability when the barge was high and dry, but not enough to 
> sink the barge when the waters rose, the structure could then ride out 
> the storm. I would also sink anchors/chains to keep the barge secured to 
> the site during high water and fold over the tower so that the structure 
> could ride out the worst weather extremes.....
> 
> Just a few thoughts.......
> 
> 
> Sincerely, John. G3JVC/GM3JVC.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23.10.2013 17:38, Your Name wrote:
> > I am trying to determine if it would be practical to safely install a 
> > 40
> > to 50 foot free-standing or bracketed (not guyed) tower in my 
> > location.
> > I would like to hear from anyone who has erected a tower in a similar 
> > area.
> >
> > My location is Chincoteague Island, Virginia, Zip Code 23336. If I am
> > reading the â??three second gust speedâ?? maps correctly, this location 
> > is
> > in a 120 mph area on the Exposure â??Câ?? maps. However, the location is
> > also about a quarter-mile from open water (an inlet off the 
> > Chesapeake
> > Bay), so it is possible that it should be considered Exposure â??Dâ??. 
> > The
> > location is flat and barely above sea level, with no significant
> > features to obstruct wind.
> >
> > The soil quality is about as poor as possible from a support 
> > standpoint.
> > It is silty sand, and during the course of a year varies from 
> > dry/loose
> > to completely waterlogged. It is also mildly salt-contaminated(from
> > seawater flooding in 2012), and so rather corrosive. The ground water
> > table is high - holes deeper than 3-4 feet tend to fill with 
> > saltwater.
> >
> > One good thing: winters are relatively mild, frost depths never 
> > exceed
> > an inch or so. Ice storms are rare. Icing would not be expected to
> > exceed 1/4 - 1/2 inch at most, and ice storms have not been known to
> > occur at the same time as high winds.
> >
> > One final feature of the site: it is subject to tidal flooding during
> > severe tropical storms and norâ??easters. Every 2 or 3 years, the base 
> > of
> > any tower at this site will be immersed for several hours in 
> > seawater,
> > to a height of up to 4 feet. (Most houses here, if you are wondering,
> > are elevated on pilings or perimeter walls.)
> >
> > Guying of the tower is absolutely not possible. Bracketing to my
> > residence (modern construction, concrete walls from the ground to 
> > four
> > feet, frame above four feet) may be possible.
> >
> > The total wind load of all equipment would be about 10 square feet.
> > I would install either a K4KIO Hex-Beam, a 2-element Steppir Yagi, or 
> > a
> > small tribander (Force 12 C-3S or similar) on the shortest practical
> > mast at the top of the tower.  All of these have rated wind loads 
> > below
> > 6 square feet. A medium-sized rotator (Yaesu G-800 SA or equivalent)
> > would be used. I would probably also attach 1-2 fixed, 
> > omnidirectional
> > VHF/UHF antennas to the tower.
> >
> > My initial idea is to simply overengineer - select a tower rated for 
> > 120
> > mph at *double* my planned windload, and go up a step or two on the
> > usual foundation size. I'm also inclining toward an aluminium, rather
> > than steel, tower due to the saltwater corrosion issue.
> >
> > Any thoughts would be much appreciated. I might end up turning to a
> > Professional Engineer for final planning, but I'd like to check to 
> > see
> > if this is even remotely feasible before I incur that expense.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jeff / KS4TL
> >
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