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Dan,
The Supremes recently ruled on a similar case, see
http://www.pacificlegal.org/releases/PLF-statement-on-Koontz-property-rights-victory-at-the-Supreme-Court
You might take a copy of the decision to USWFS and also contact PLF for 
assistance. 
btw PLF is worth supporting IMHO.
Grant KZ1W
On 8/31/2013 4:09 AM, Dan Schaaf wrote:
 I am presently in discussion ( argument ) with US Fish and Wildlife 
over property that I own that I want to build a retirement home on.  
They dispute an Environmental Survey that I paid to have done. The 
survey says that there are no FL Scrub Jays within 850 ft around my 
property.  These birds are declining in population. The USFWS claims 
that there were sightings as recently as 2007 near the edge of my 850 
buffer circle. The birds live on average 12 years. Sightings are 
generally adult birds which if you do the math, by now, 2013 , they 
likely dead or re-nested elsewhere. And these are just sightings, not 
nests. The birds fly from the nest and back to it. They are very 
territorial.
Nevertheless, USFWS refuses to even consider new updated data from 
surveys. Seems to me that new data should have more value to them than 
old data. They agree until you try to then pin them down on releasing 
your property. Then they come up with some other excuses such as " we 
really do not want any surveys done in that particular neighborhood".  
Or, "we welcome new data but we do not necessarily use it". 
Now, that statement smacks of government control on where you buy or 
sell property or where you choose to live.  And certainly impacts the 
livelihood of those who do environmental surveys. And of course old 
data means they do not have to lift a finger to do any work, just stay 
employed until retirement doing nothing.  They do not even suggest 
doing a second survey to validate the first survey and they will not 
come to the parcel and check for themselves. 
But, there is a solution. It is called Mitigation Fee. You pay them 
$18,000 per 1/4 acre to free up your land. They then are supposed to 
use that money to develop other areas for the birds to flourish.  But, 
they do not move the nests from your land !!! They let the bulldozers 
kill off the birds that you just paid to save ! 
I have 3/4 acre parcel and that equates to $54K mitigation fee which I 
refuse to pay nor do I have in my bank. Nice chunk of land for towers 
and verticals. 
Can my congressman help? They have indicated that they would work on 
it if I ask them to do so. But I worry that if they fail, then my name 
becomes Mudd at the FWS and I end up stuck with a piece of land that I 
pay taxes on and cannot use and likely cannot sell. 
Anyone here have friends in high places ? HiHi This is legal extortion.
Best Regards
Dan Schaaf
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-----Original Message----- From: Roger (K8RI) on TT
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 6:36 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government
On 8/31/2013 6:22 AM, Dan Schaaf wrote:
 
Substantive BS !
 
Sure beats the form letters I get from my senator (At least he's not
going to run again..he says.) that could be applied to anything that
says only, I'll keep your views in mind without referring to any thing.
Some one apparently wrote this one.
73
Roger (K8RI)
 
Best Regards
Dan Schaaf
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60 Meters www.60metersonline.net
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-----Original Message----- From: Pete Smith N4ZR Sent: Saturday, 
August 31, 2013 5:57 AM To: towertalk@contesting.com Subject: Re: 
[TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government
Heck, that's a lot more substantive than the sort of BS I get when I 
write my Congressperson. 
73, Pete N4ZR
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On 8/30/2013 6:29 PM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
 
...and here's the *answer* that I received, today:
August 30, 2013
Thank you for letting me know of your concerns regarding the way in 
which the Department of Defense (DOD) disposes of certain surplus 
assets by auctioning them to the public. As the Chairman of the 
Appropriations Subcommittee on National Defense, you can be sure 
that I share your interest in this regard and appreciate knowing 
your thoughts. 
The Defense Logistics Agency(DLA)Dispositions Services is charged 
with disposing ofthe U.S. military'sexcess property. According to 
the DOD, the excess property "is first offered for reutilization 
within the Department of Defense , transfer to other federal 
agencies, or donation to state and local governments andother 
qualified organizations." In 2008, $2.2 billion worth of property 
was reutilized.DLA Disposition Services maintains a Law Enforcement 
Support Office (LESO)to coordinate transfers to state, local, and 
federal; more than 11,500 agencies in all 50 states participate in 
this program. In 2011, over $500 million worth of equipment was 
transferred to law enforcement agencies. Property that has not been 
transferred or donated can be made available for purchase by the 
public. Of course, assets with military characteristics must be 
demilitarized prior to being made available to the public. 
In an effort to be of all possible assistance to you, I have taken 
the liberty of contacting Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, to share 
with him your thoughts. The Secretary has assured me that your views 
will be given serious consideration. This is a matter under careful 
scrutiny by the Congress and you can be sure that I will continue to 
monitor any new developments that occur. 
Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding this 
matter of mutual concern. It is my hope that you will continue to 
keep me apprised of your interest in legislative issues important to 
you. 
With best wishes and personal regards, I am
Bill Young
Member of Congress
On 8/14/2013 7:24 PM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
 
I saw this ad, earlier this month.
I sent a letter to my Congressman asking how it was this didn't 
somehow qualify as waste, fraud or abuse of our wallets? 
73,
Jon Pearl - W4ABC
www.w4abc.com
On 8/14/2013 6:50 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
 Careful - this appears to be 198,000 pounds of scrap, now selling 
at $45
per pound, about $9M dollars, probably close to what the 
government paid
for it.
It looks like a better deal... but that's the way I read it.
73,
Mickey N4MB
 
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