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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 B-1/B-1S Baluns
From: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:13:24 +0100
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Yes, the choke reactance may add to the coax braid reactance producing an increase in the net CM impedance; in fact with certain lengths of coax the braid impedance is high enough that you don't need a choke! But now think about much more complicated it would get with something like a triband beam where the single choke is operating with three different electrical lengths of coax. The solid engineering solution is resistive choke impedance and sufficient of it for the application.

Air-cored coax-wound chokes perform exactly like any high-Q parallel-tuned circuit: very high impedance over a very narrow bandwidth; reactive at all frequencies other than right at resonance; tuning very susceptible to proximity effects. How many times have you seen a coiled-coax choke taped to a boom - think about that in terms of a high-Q parallel tuned circuit!

73,
Steve G3TXQ





On 14/05/2013 18:57, Jim Thomson wrote:
##  OK, I get it.  And if the coax braid  Z, and is reactive..but is XL instead 
of XC, the
net CM path Z  could also increase ?

## I did the maths, if you double the power, the diss will double....so diss is 
proportional to power,
this is good to know.   Then I suppose you have to factor in the weight of the 
ferrite used.

##  I played around   with some of jim browns designs with large diam loops, 
but they are tough to use in some
applications..esp with 40m yagis...and 80m rotary dipoles.   With the 40m yagi, 
u have the boom to deal with.
The 80m dipole,  u have the mast to deal with.   U gotta get those coax loops 
well away from metal or the stray C
from coax loops to metal creates more problems.  Close wound loops on  4-8 type x 
31/43  2.4” OD torroid
cores  seems to solve most of the stray C issues.   Then the entire mess goes 
inside a gasketed nema box.

## 213 u  or  393 teflon coax..silver soldered, seems to work pretty good so 
far.

##  The  1/4  wave  or  3/4  wave coax...  minus 2%  also works good...but 
that’s a monoband device.

later........ Jim   VE7RF


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