Ted,
I may have missed something and there may be several models of the skyhawk
that I don't know about but the K7LXC/ N0AX tribander report rated the C31
considerably Higher than the skyhawk but did give it an "honorable mention".
Further, the Skyhawk tested in the tribander report has a 24 foot boom as
opposed to the 31 foot boom on the C-31. I think you have it right about
Pricing though.
For Wayne, do yourself a favor and read the K7LXC tribander report. It does
not cover the StepIR as none was available at the time the
Testing was done.
73
Chet N4FX
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From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:02 PM
To: rthorne@rthorne.net
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Please Help Me Decide on a Tribander or Monobanders
Go for the SkyHawk tribander.
Much better than the Force 12 and less expensive too...
Longer boom etc.
73,
Ted K2QMF
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:24:31 -0500 Richard Thorne <rthorne@rthorne.net>
writes:
> I sure like my C31XR at 79' with a Delta 240 mounted 10' above it. I
>
> plan on changing out the 240 with a Delta 230/240 and lower it to
> about 7' above the C31xr then add a WARC 2/2 at the 10' level. That
> will give me a rotatable 10 through 40 solution.
>
> I also have a C3 tribander (going on 17 years old) mounted on a
> rotatable swinging side gate at 40'.
>
> I really like the F12 antennas, instant band change and made in
> America.
>
> Rich - N5ZC
>
>
> On 4/18/2013 4:06 PM, Wayne Willenberg wrote:
> > My 86 or 89 foot crank-up tower project seems to be progressing
> through my
> > County review boards. So now I am getting really excited for my
> first
> > tower.
> >
> > I am now in ham nirvana because I have to start making up my mind
> on which
> > antenna(s) to put on the 15' mast. Here is my first dilemma.
> Should I put
> > up a tribander (10, 15 and 20M) or 3 monobanders. My intuition
> said there
> > was no way a tribander with the same 20M boom length could beat 3
> > monobanders having a 20M antenna with the same boom length.
> >
> > So, just as an exercise, I looked at Force 12 antennas. (I am
> not
> > endorsing Force 12 antennas, although they do seem to have a good
> > reputation. I am also aware that the performance specs of
> antenna
> > manufacturers need to be taken with a grain of salt -this is not
> meant to
> > be a criticism of Force 12.)
> >
> > I started with the Force 12 model C-31XR tribander. It has 14
> elements on
> > a boom length of 31', a wind load of 10.7 sqft and published
> figures of:
> >
> > 20M gain: 14.0dBi, a F/B of 20dB,
> >
> > 15M gain: 14.3dBi, a F/B of 22dB, and
> >
> > 10M gain: 15.6dBi, a F/B of 21dB. Published price: $2,970
> >
> > Then, I looked for monobanders from Force 12 that had a boom
> length for the
> > 20M monobander close to the C-31XR and a gain in the vicinity of
> the of the
> > tribander for each of the 3 bands. Here is what I found:
> >
> > EF-420 (20M with 4 elements) has a boom length of 30', a gain of
> 14.5Dbi,
> > a F/B of 22dB, a wind load of 5.5 sqft, and a cost of $1,300.
> >
> > EF-415 (15M with 4 elements) has a boom length of 20', a gain of
> 14.6Dbi, a
> > F/B of 22dB, a wind load of 2.8 sqft, and a cost of $869.
> >
> > EF-510 (10M with 5 elements) has a boom length of 18', a gain of
> 15.1dBi, a
> > F/B of 23, a wind load of 2.5 sqft, and a cost of $799.
> >
> > The total wind load of the 3 monobanders is 10.8 sqft and a total
> cost of
> > $2,968.
> >
> > So, at first glance, the price and wind load of the tribander is
> > practically the same as the sum of the 3 monobanders. There is no
> more
> > than an additional 0.5dB of gain (and 0.5 dB loss of gain on 10M)
> with
> > monobanders; a gain of 2dB F/B (and 2dB more F/B on 10M) for
> monobanders.
> >
> > However, I am aware that there will be a degradation of the
> performance of
> > at least the middle monobander if I put 3 of them, in a Christmas
> tree
> > fashion, on a 15' mast. I haven't been able to find a good
> discussion of
> > the amount of degradation-even the 22nd Edition of the Antenna
> Book has
> > only a few words to say about this. Please direct me to a
> discussion of
> > this topic if you know one. I may have to model these antennas on
> EZNEC to
> > see the impact of 3 antennas confined to a 15 foot mast.
> >
> > On the other hand, there has to be a compromise when 3 antennas
> are mounted
> > on a single boom.
> >
> > I would really appreciate your help in finding all of the specs I
> should be
> > looking at in making this decision. Any other comments that would
> push me
> > one way or the other would also be appreciated.
> >
> > Please help me with my first tower!
> >
> > 73, Wayne KK6BT
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