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Subject: [TowerTalk] More shunt fed 80/160 vertical info
From: Gary Slagel <gdslagel@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:55:23 -0800 (PST)
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Hi TowerTalkians,
 
I had someone ask about my shuntfed 80/160 vertical and after replying and 
explaining the whole thing to him I thought someone else might be interested so 
am forwarding this.  I"m definitely not recommending anyone build a vertical 
this way.... just thought someone might find it interesting how easy it is to 
get on the air.
 
Thanks Dan,
 
Problem solved... I blew the antenna :)  Going to hang an inv L in the next 
couple days.  
 
I've got  a 51' tower with a tribander on top plus a 40/80/160 trap dipole 
hanging off an wooden stick about 1' away from the top of the tower.  I know 
having 80/160 verts underneath the dipole isn't ideal but wanted to experiment 
with it.  Experimenting, I attached a wire to the tower at about 12' up along 
with about a 120' elevated radial.  Checked it with an mfj antenna analyzer and 
it was resonant very near to 1.8mhz!  Obviously the 51' tower with tribander 
couln't have that much electrical length but I assume that its interacting with 
the dipole (even though the dipole is completely isolated from the tower) to 
give it the extra length.  So, I adjusted the radial length to get the thing 
resonant exactly where I wanted it.  Then I attached a coax at that point and 
fed the coax to an ameriton remote coax switch.  
 
For 80M I ran a wire up the tower, about 18" away, and attached it at the top 
of the tower.  Since the whole tower /tribander is resonant at 1.8mhz I knew 
I'd have to really shorten it to get it to load up on 80M.   I built a trombone 
capacitor using 2 sizes copper tubing, mounted the capacitor at about 12'  and 
fed it against a 63' elevated radial.  Between adjusting the capacitor and the 
radial length I got a nice match with this vertical at 3.525.  Attached coax 
and ran it to the coax switch.  Also ran the tribander into the coax switch and 
I select the antenna from the shack.  This, of course is the antenna that 
couldn't handle the 800W (I'm not worried about the 160M vert handling high 
power cuz my amp doesn't do 160M). 
 
Now I'm going to replace the 80M with an inv L.
 
None of this is ideal of course.... especially the 1 elevated radio per band 
situation... but fun to play with.  The antennas seem about on a par with the 
dipole.   On 160 I'd say the vert beats the dipole, on 80M the dipole beats the 
vert.  But on both, there are times when the vert is better and times when the 
dipole is better.  More radials, I'm sure, would make a significant difference 
and I'll do that soon.  I'm going to add a couple for the 80M vert before the 
weekend contest and I think, for dx, I'll see the 80M vert significantly better 
the the dipole.  
 
Good luck with your experiments.... 73,
Gary
 
Gary Slagel
Hot Springs, SD
N0SXX
http://marina.fortunecity.com/sanpedro/351


 
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