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Subject: [TowerTalk] free climbing, etc.
From: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:12:18 -0700
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To a certain extent, a lot of this discussion echoes that in the rock 
climbing area.. (where there is essentially no employment or 
occupational exposure issues)

free vs aid climbing? top-rope and/or bolts vs not?
is it appropriate to free-solo?  What about free-solo'ing an aid climb? 
  At some point all of these have "make a mistake and die" sorts of 
things, as well as "bad luck and die", just because you were in the 
wrong place at the wrong time (e.g. rockfall, lightning, crazed raptor 
attack).

There's been a huge amount of discussion in the climbing community over 
the years about whether "physical alteration of the rock is appropriate 
if it improves safety" (e.g. bolt or not bolt) especially vis a vis 
national parks and wilderness areas (where modifications are 
theoretically illegal under the Organic Act).

And there's all the discussion about "but there are incidental costs 
from bad decisions that society incurs, so therefore, society gets to 
weigh in on the decision" (e.g. rescue costs for climbers who get 
stuck).. do we have some sort of rating system to only allow qualified 
climbers? Do we charge people without a "climbing license" a fee for 
insurance against the higher odds that they'll require rescue or body 
recovery?

The same thing applies to many other activities (surfing? backpacking? 
jumping horses over fences?)

Ultimately, we all get to make our own choices, based on our own 
personal evaluation of the relative risks and consequences.  We can hope 
to influence others by education, example, etc.. but beyond that, so 
far, it's not particularly regulated.

Occupational exposure can serve as an example, but it *is* fundamentally 
different in many ways from recreational exposure. *No* employee has 
total free-choice, while you DO have free choice in recreation. Yes, 
many employers have "if you don't think it's safe, then don't do it" 
policies, but let's be real.. exercise the "i don't think it's safe" 
option too many times, and you aren't a very productive employee, and 
the employer will say "we found someone else"

(bringing up an interesting question about climbing rangers doing rescue 
work.. they DO get to do things that the recreational climber is not 
allowed to do.. use helicopters in wilderness areas, for instance.  I 
suspect they're also allowed to "make permanent modifications" if 
needed.. e.g. they can put in bolts with power tools if needed... and 
what does OSHA have to say about all of that, to boot...)
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