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Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast

To: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
From: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com>
Reply-to: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:47:45 -0500
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Ok Dick, if it makes you feel better, I stand corrected.

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "RICHARD SOLOMON" <w1ksz@q.com>
To: "TowerTalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast


>
> I think that was W1FZJ and he said ..."if your antenna lasts through
> the winter, it wasn't big enough"... .
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>> From: w2lu@rochester.rr.com
>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:44:46 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
>>
>> How about repetitive gusts and possible resonance?  But remember the Sam
>> Harris / W1FZ philosophy - "If it stays up more than two winters it was 
>> over
>> designed".
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Thomson" <Jim.thom@telus.net>
>> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:09 AM
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] sched 80 mast
>>
>>
>> > VE9HF  indicates his  sched  80 mast is  .25" thick.     It's not.
>> >
>> > IF his mast is  typ 1.9" OD  sched 80  stuff... it's only  .200" thick.
>> > His section modulus is only .412
>> >
>> > If the yield strength is  35 ksi.... his max  bending moment is  only
>> > .412 x 35 ksi = 14,420  in lbs...[ 1200 ft lbs]
>> >
>> > Lets say  7  sq feet @ 70 mph [20 lbs  per sq ft]   x  14'   .... = 
>> > 1960
>> > ft lbs  of  bending moment.
>> >
>> > 1960> 1200  !     The mast will snap like a tooth pick.   The mast is
>> > maxed out  with 1200/140 =  8.57'
>> >
>> > This doesn't even factor in the  other TWO  proposed yagi's... nor the
>> > wind load of the mast itself !
>> >
>> > It's NOT....." a serious  tower" .          It's made for TV ants'... 
>> > and
>> > can be used with ham ant's,
>> >
>> > provided you don't overload it...esp with tall masts.   Even if you 
>> > guyed
>> > the tower,  the proposed  mast you
>> >
>> > are contemplating will fold over at a right angle.      That  Delhi 
>> > isn't
>> > CSA  approved, nor does it meet
>> >
>> > the Canadian  S-37 tower specs.   Load it up with heavy wet snow + a 
>> > tiny
>> > bit of ice  .....+  a 55 mph gust
>> >
>> > .. and it's  bye-bye tower... plus 3 x ants'  trashed.  Removing a bent
>> > mast is a gong show in itself.. and
>> >
>> > extremely dangerous.   If you want a   stronger, self support tower, 
>> > get
>> > a Trylon Titan..[with the 48" wide bottom section]...
>> >
>> > ... or better yet ..a  Trylon  Super Titan. The Trylon super Titan IS 
>> > a
>> > S-37  rated tower, and will handle  25 mm of radial ice  + high wind.
>> >
>> > It's the real deal.   The stock Delhi top bearing plate + mating thrust
>> > bearing is pure junk.   The rotor plate is worse.   You will end up
>> >
>> > tearing up all the plates within months.
>> >
>> > Later.......... Jim  VE7RF
>> >
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