WOW! What a great help you guys have been. I now have a handle on the
procedure of this critical connection to the outside elements. Putting all
theese emphirical solutions together I will proceed with Soldering the
wiring with NO LEAD solder, two coats of 3m scotchcoat , one coat liquid
electrical tape and topped off with coax seal.HECK that should last 30
years.I do use the top of the line ladder line with # 14 copperweild not the
solid #18 which has a tendency to break. THANK YOU ALL. This is one special
and valued group. You guys saved me from some real blunders. Some of which I
could have been severely hurt. God bless all in this group.73
tony k2vi
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> 4. Re: Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line (Bill K2OWR)
> 5. Re: Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line (Jim Brown)
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> 7. Ladder Line Splice (Dick Williams)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:57:21 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <4B356D81.2010907@cis-broadband.com>
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>
> 1. Solder does not break down due to UV.
>
> 2. The lead in lead-tin solder will react with moisture to form a white
> crumbly oxide. Exposed to the elements, the entire joint will
> eventually become porous and brittle. That's why plumbing solder is
> lead-free, and that is what I use (otherwise unprotected) for all my
> outdoor solder connections.
>
> 73,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
>
> Dave Harmon wrote:
>> Now ya got me thinking...slowly....
>>
>> In Calif I had an inverted V for 80mtrs hanging off my tower for 28
>> years.
>> I never had any trouble other than my dawg chewing coax and rotor cables.
>> I DO remembering being on the roof and noticing that the soldered,
>> unprotected splices of wire used for the stubs were looking a bit
>> gnarly....sort of white crumbly stuff....probably known as corrosion.
>> These stubs were two wraps of 16awg 3' or 4' long solid copper,
>> insulated.
>> The solder joint was open to the weather. All I did was reheat and add
>> new
>> Multi-Core.
>> I'm not saying that soldered connections don't need to be protected but
>> I've
>> never had problems. Probably a bit of Penetrox wouldn't hurt.
>> I slathered up my Ht-Tower pretty good with that stuff.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave Harmon
>> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
>> Sperry, Ok.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of KI9A@aol.com
>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 6:08 PM
>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
>>
>> Mine has been spliced, and uncovered since 1998. Looks great, works
>> great.
>> Any kind of tape, ect., will break down FAR quicker than solder.
>>
>> 73- Chuck KI9A
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/25/2009 6:04:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> EZRhino@fastmovers.biz writes:
>>
>> I thought I read somewhere that solder breaks down from the UV
>> light. Taping it up or some liquid electrical tape should do the trick.
>>
>> Chris
>> KF7P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2009, at 15:22 , John Kemker wrote:
>>
>> Y'know, I would have though the solder itself would act as a
>> weatherproofing, as a proper solder joint is supposed to be mechanically
>> sound, first, then the solder surrounds the joint with
>> lead/tin/silver/whatever, providing an encapsulated joint that should be
>> protected from the elements. Once you've soldered, a little bit of
>> liquid electrical tape or just plain electrical tape should do the job.
>>
>> --JohnK
>> 73 de W5NNH
>> 10X 75371/M&M 117/SMIRK 6185/Six Club 285/TRA 2499/Norcross 228 F&AM
>>
>>
>>
>> Wes Attaway (N5WA) wrote:
>>
>>> Twist the wires together over about a 1-inch length. Solder the
>>> connection
>>> and massage some coax-seal around the joints.
>>>
>>> ------------------ Wes Attaway (N5WA) ------------------
>>> 1138 Waters Edge Circle - Shreveport, LA 71106
>>> 318-797-4972 (office) - 318-393-3289 (cell)
>>> Computer Consulting and Forensics
>>> -------------- EnCase Certified Examiner ---------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of anthony
>>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:44 AM
>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
>>>
>>> Merry christmas to everyone.
>>>
>>> I need some advice. Im lengthining my 450 ohm ladder line, The
>>> splice will
>>> be outside in the elements. What would be the best way to totally
>>> weather
>>> proof the connection. I was thinking a few coats of scotchcoat and
>>> then some
>>> GE clear silicone. Any help would be apreciated. thanks fellow hams.
>>>
>>> tony k2vi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:59:10 -0700
> From: EZ Rhino <EZRhino@fastmovers.biz>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <D0B61E8F-C422-4489-90B5-ABA0806F6614@fastmovers.biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Yeah, that's what I remembered. It's the lead that breaks down.
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 25, 2009, at 18:57 , David Gilbert wrote:
>
>
> 1. Solder does not break down due to UV.
>
> 2. The lead in lead-tin solder will react with moisture to form a white
> crumbly oxide. Exposed to the elements, the entire joint will
> eventually become porous and brittle. That's why plumbing solder is
> lead-free, and that is what I use (otherwise unprotected) for all my
> outdoor solder connections.
>
> 73,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
>
> Dave Harmon wrote:
>> Now ya got me thinking...slowly....
>>
>> In Calif I had an inverted V for 80mtrs hanging off my tower for 28
>> years.
>> I never had any trouble other than my dawg chewing coax and rotor
>> cables.
>> I DO remembering being on the roof and noticing that the soldered,
>> unprotected splices of wire used for the stubs were looking a bit
>> gnarly....sort of white crumbly stuff....probably known as corrosion.
>> These stubs were two wraps of 16awg 3' or 4' long solid copper,
>> insulated.
>> The solder joint was open to the weather. All I did was reheat and
>> add new
>> Multi-Core.
>> I'm not saying that soldered connections don't need to be protected
>> but I've
>> never had problems. Probably a bit of Penetrox wouldn't hurt.
>> I slathered up my Ht-Tower pretty good with that stuff.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave Harmon
>> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
>> Sperry, Ok.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of KI9A@aol.com
>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 6:08 PM
>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
>>
>> Mine has been spliced, and uncovered since 1998. Looks great,
>> works great.
>> Any kind of tape, ect., will break down FAR quicker than solder.
>>
>> 73- Chuck KI9A
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/25/2009 6:04:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> EZRhino@fastmovers.biz writes:
>>
>> I thought I read somewhere that solder breaks down from the UV
>> light. Taping it up or some liquid electrical tape should do the
>> trick.
>>
>> Chris
>> KF7P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2009, at 15:22 , John Kemker wrote:
>>
>> Y'know, I would have though the solder itself would act as a
>> weatherproofing, as a proper solder joint is supposed to be
>> mechanically
>> sound, first, then the solder surrounds the joint with
>> lead/tin/silver/whatever, providing an encapsulated joint that
>> should be
>> protected from the elements. Once you've soldered, a little bit of
>> liquid electrical tape or just plain electrical tape should do the
>> job.
>>
>> --JohnK
>> 73 de W5NNH
>> 10X 75371/M&M 117/SMIRK 6185/Six Club 285/TRA 2499/Norcross 228 F&AM
>>
>>
>>
>> Wes Attaway (N5WA) wrote:
>>
>>> Twist the wires together over about a 1-inch length. Solder the
>>> connection
>>> and massage some coax-seal around the joints.
>>>
>>> ------------------ Wes Attaway (N5WA) ------------------
>>> 1138 Waters Edge Circle - Shreveport, LA 71106
>>> 318-797-4972 (office) - 318-393-3289 (cell)
>>> Computer Consulting and Forensics
>>> -------------- EnCase Certified Examiner ---------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of anthony
>>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:44 AM
>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
>>>
>>> Merry christmas to everyone.
>>>
>>> I need some advice. Im lengthining my 450 ohm ladder line, The
>>> splice will
>>> be outside in the elements. What would be the best way to totally
>>> weather
>>> proof the connection. I was thinking a few coats of scotchcoat and
>>> then some
>>> GE clear silicone. Any help would be apreciated. thanks fellow hams.
>>>
>>> tony k2vi
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:06:42 -0500
> From: Jim Jarvis <jimjarvis@optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] rohn 25 as vertical
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
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>
> I'm surprised that nobody advocated shunt feeding
> the tower. Forget about insulating it (and then having
> to deal with static drain/lightning ground)... just
> tie the thing to the ground radial system, and run some
> 1" aluminum tube on 12" standoffs, up the tower maybe 30'...
>
> There are a number of matching finesses available here, and I don't
> have personal experience doing it... but it's the structurally
> simpler approach.
>
> n2ea
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:11:01 -0500
> From: "Bill K2OWR" <k2owr@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
> To: "David Gilbert" <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <0B9BBE6F7A2447079E958F8812979703@WilliamRadicPC>
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>
> ::::Geez, all these endless theories about a simple solder connection and
> you come (David) on here and explain exactly what the real reason is, and
> how to avoid the problem. BRAVO
>
> Will this thread die now? I doubt it :-(
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Gilbert" <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 20:57
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
>
>
>>
>> 1. Solder does not break down due to UV.
>>
>> 2. The lead in lead-tin solder will react with moisture to form a white
>> crumbly oxide. Exposed to the elements, the entire joint will
>> eventually become porous and brittle. That's why plumbing solder is
>> lead-free, and that is what I use (otherwise unprotected) for all my
>> outdoor solder connections.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Harmon wrote:
>>> Now ya got me thinking...slowly....
>>>
>>> In Calif I had an inverted V for 80mtrs hanging off my tower for 28
>>> years.
>>> I never had any trouble other than my dawg chewing coax and rotor
>>> cables.
>>> I DO remembering being on the roof and noticing that the soldered,
>>> unprotected splices of wire used for the stubs were looking a bit
>>> gnarly....sort of white crumbly stuff....probably known as corrosion.
>>> These stubs were two wraps of 16awg 3' or 4' long solid copper,
>>> insulated.
>>> The solder joint was open to the weather. All I did was reheat and add
>>> new
>>> Multi-Core.
>>> I'm not saying that soldered connections don't need to be protected but
>>> I've
>>> never had problems. Probably a bit of Penetrox wouldn't hurt.
>>> I slathered up my Ht-Tower pretty good with that stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Dave Harmon
>>> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
>>> Sperry, Ok.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of KI9A@aol.com
>>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 6:08 PM
>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
>>>
>>> Mine has been spliced, and uncovered since 1998. Looks great, works
>>> great.
>>> Any kind of tape, ect., will break down FAR quicker than solder.
>>>
>>> 73- Chuck KI9A
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/25/2009 6:04:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> EZRhino@fastmovers.biz writes:
>>>
>>> I thought I read somewhere that solder breaks down from the UV
>>> light. Taping it up or some liquid electrical tape should do the
>>> trick.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> KF7P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2009, at 15:22 , John Kemker wrote:
>>>
>>> Y'know, I would have though the solder itself would act as a
>>> weatherproofing, as a proper solder joint is supposed to be
>>> mechanically
>>> sound, first, then the solder surrounds the joint with
>>> lead/tin/silver/whatever, providing an encapsulated joint that should
>>> be
>>> protected from the elements. Once you've soldered, a little bit of
>>> liquid electrical tape or just plain electrical tape should do the job.
>>>
>>> --JohnK
>>> 73 de W5NNH
>>> 10X 75371/M&M 117/SMIRK 6185/Six Club 285/TRA 2499/Norcross 228 F&AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wes Attaway (N5WA) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Twist the wires together over about a 1-inch length. Solder the
>>>> connection
>>>> and massage some coax-seal around the joints.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------ Wes Attaway (N5WA) ------------------
>>>> 1138 Waters Edge Circle - Shreveport, LA 71106
>>>> 318-797-4972 (office) - 318-393-3289 (cell)
>>>> Computer Consulting and Forensics
>>>> -------------- EnCase Certified Examiner ---------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of anthony
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:44 AM
>>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
>>>>
>>>> Merry christmas to everyone.
>>>>
>>>> I need some advice. Im lengthining my 450 ohm ladder line, The
>>>> splice will
>>>> be outside in the elements. What would be the best way to totally
>>>> weather
>>>> proof the connection. I was thinking a few coats of scotchcoat and
>>>> then some
>>>> GE clear silicone. Any help would be apreciated. thanks fellow hams.
>>>>
>>>> tony k2vi
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800
> From: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
> To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <20091226023227.C3F26594D8@gw1.nlenet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:54:14 -0600, Wes Attaway \(N5WA\) wrote:
>
>>Twist the wires together over about a 1-inch length. Solder the
>>connection
>>and massage some coax-seal around the joints.
>
> I use ladder line for 2-wire Beverages. Soldering 300 ft out in the woods
> is
> not easy (unless you have a butane iron, which I do not). The one time I
> had
> to splice it I stripped and twisted as Wes suggested, then bonded the
> wires
> together using small split-bolt connectors. So that the two split bolts
> wouldn't short out to each other, I offset the splice by an few inches.
>
> It should also be noted that soldered copper joints are very likely to
> break
> at the joint when subjected to flexing, as with wire antennas in the wind.
> Copper split bolt connectors are an excellent way to splice wire antennas
> without soldering. I lock them down real well with pliers, then tape them
> up
> well to minimize oxidation.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim K9YC
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:37:30 EST
> From: KI9A@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
> To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com, towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <d4a.630e44d1.3866d0ea@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I make high voltage (1380 volts and up) for a living. Trust me, NO amount
> of tape will stop moisture. Unless, you have training on moisture blocks,
> ect.
>
> Just an observation..
>
> 73- Chuck KI9A
>
>
> In a message dated 12/25/2009 8:33:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> jim@audiosystemsgroup.com writes:
>
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:54:14 -0600, Wes Attaway \(N5WA\) wrote:
>
>>Twist the wires together over about a 1-inch length. Solder the
> connection
>>and massage some coax-seal around the joints.
>
> I use ladder line for 2-wire Beverages. Soldering 300 ft out in the woods
> is
> not easy (unless you have a butane iron, which I do not). The one time I
> had
> to splice it I stripped and twisted as Wes suggested, then bonded the
> wires
> together using small split-bolt connectors. So that the two split bolts
> wouldn't short out to each other, I offset the splice by an few inches.
>
> It should also be noted that soldered copper joints are very likely to
> break
> at the joint when subjected to flexing, as with wire antennas in the
> wind.
> Copper split bolt connectors are an excellent way to splice wire antennas
> without soldering. I lock them down real well with pliers, then tape them
> up
> well to minimize oxidation.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim K9YC
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:53:17 -0700
> From: "Dick Williams" <k8ztt@mho.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Ladder Line Splice
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <000c01ca85d6$938d7fa0$baa87ee0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am not sure why you would need to insulate ladder line in the first
> place?
> I have seen ladder line made with bare copper wire; and I have a section
> of
> mine that a tree limb "removed" the insulation from before I noticed it
> and
> cut the limb out.
>
> Dick K8ZTT
>
>> Merry Christmas to everyone.
>>
>> I need some advice. Im lengthining my 450 ohm ladder line, The splice
>> will
>
>> be outside in the elements. What would be the best way to totally weather
>> proof the connection. I was thinking a few coats of scotchcoat and then
>> some GE clear silicone. Any help would be apreciated. thanks fellow hams.
>>
>> tony k2vi
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:53:38 -0500
> From: Bill Winkis <kc4pe@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Splicing and weatherproofing ladder line
> To: anthony <k2vi@cox.net>
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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> Make your splice, solder it well and dress it a perfect as you can..
> -Shrink tube each joint..
> -Break the head off of two plastic spoons
> -Align and center the plastic sticks over each splice
> -Go to Lowes an get a blue (color) tube of "loctite Epoxy Putty"
> -Follow the instructions on preparing the putty.
> -Form the putty around (360) the splice/stick etc..make a small bridge
> of putty between the wires to maintain the distance between the two
> wires...
> -Allow to set...
> ...I have made test splices using this Loctite Epoxy Putty and have
> maintained waterproof joints going on three years...some tests are
> underground in wet soil...some are on 450 to coax joints etc...some are
> securing Bazooka joints....etc
>
> Bottom Line...It Works!!
>
> -Bill
> kc4pe@bellsouth.net
>
>
>
>
> anthony wrote:
>> Merry christmas to everyone.
>>
>> I need some advice. Im lengthining my 450 ohm ladder line, The splice
>> will be outside in the elements. What would be the best way to totally
>> weather proof the connection. I was thinking a few coats of scotchcoat
>> and then some GE clear silicone. Any help would be apreciated. thanks
>> fellow hams.
>>
>> tony k2vi
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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