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Re: [TowerTalk] optimum vertical height

To: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] optimum vertical height
From: Dan <n5ar@air-pipe.com>
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:53:55 -0700
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Jim, obviously you are quite knowledgeable about antennas and have 
mentioned most of the factors to be considered. You did not mention the 
importance of the available ground system. If you have a lossless tuner 
and your ground system is sea water I suspect that a 160m antenna made 
of very conductive material could be reasonably efficient but would have 
a bandwidth that was extremely narrow as well as very high voltages and 
currents in it.
Any reasonable ground system would seriously compromise the efficiency 
due to very low radiation resistance compared to ground resistance.
  On the high frequency end, even 43 feet is so long that much of its 
radiation is at too high an angle to be  optimum. It seems to me that 
there is no best answer to your question unless you place some relative 
value on what is acceptable to you for each band.
  I would prefer to think of a set of  1/4 wave verticals paralleled at 
their base, fed with a single coax, and suitable line chokes to reduce 
shield radiation. The non resonant verticals would have a high enough 
end impedance that  the SWR would be acceptable on the desired band.The 
Hytower is a reasonable commercial version of this idea. On the lower 
bands it is an effective antenna but it is designed to use 3/4 
wavelength verticals on the higher bands which results in high angle 
radiation there. Just my opinion.

73, Dan, N5AR

jimlux wrote:
> Or length, really...
>
> Say you have a vertical that can be any arbitrary length, and you have a 
>    (presumed perfect lossless) tuner at the base of the vertical. What 
> length should one choose, if you want to operate all HF ham bands?
>
> Obviously, there's lots of folks selling 43 foot verticals these days, 
> but I suspect that's a length chosen to make sure the impedance isn't 
> "bad" in the ham bands, when fed with a simple matching network (4:1 
> transfomer, often with some leakage C) and coax to a tuner in the shack.
>
> Is there a point of diminishing returns in height (e.g. the difference 
> in performance on, say, 160m, is going to be tiny between 20 ft and 
> 25ft.. it's a "very short" radiator on both).
>
> What about higher band performance (a very long radiator is going to be 
> much longer than a 1/4 wavelength, so the pattern will start to have 
> many vertical lobes, which may or may not have a big practical effect).
>
> (The assumption of lossless tuner isn't all that unreasonable, at least 
> for comparing the radiation performance..)
>
> Jim
>
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