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Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Bandwidth of a 75/80 meter dipole

To: "'Pete Smith'" <n4zr@contesting.com>, "'K4SAV'" <RadioIR@charter.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Bandwidth of a 75/80 meter dipole
From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:06:09 -0600
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This is it!   


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-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Smith [mailto:n4zr@contesting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:32 PM
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett; 'K4SAV'; towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Bandwidth of a 75/80 meter dipole

It's even better than that - a piece of 75-ohm coax permanently in the line
at the right place gives a frequency characteristic that has a double-dip.
I think the idea was first thought of (or at least publicized in amateur
circles) by W6NL.  Here's a reference, from N3BB
<www.ctdxcc.org/n3bb/broadband_antenna/A_Broadband_80_Meter_Antenna_System.p
pt
 >

73, Pete N4ZR

At 04:13 PM 3/17/2009, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>K5TR has another way.  He sent me how to do it but I can't find it.  I 
>recall a piece of 75 ohm coax that was switched into the line.
>
>Maybe Geo will post it.
>
>Mike W0MU
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K4SAV
>Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:55 AM
>To: towertalk@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Bandwidth of a 75/80 meter dipole
>
>There are several ways to make a dipole cover all of 75/80 meters, and 
>also many ways that don't work.
>
>A double Bazooka doesn't cut it.  It only provides about 14% increase 
>in bandwidth at the expense of extra loss at the band ends.  Even the 
>crossed double bazooka that provides about 55% increase in bandwidth at 
>the expense of even more loss, doesn't do it.
>
>A cage dipole doesn't do it either unless you make the cage an 
>extremely large diameter.
>
>A folded dipole will provide a little more bandwidth but it won't cover 
>the whole band either.
>
>A fan dipole with one dipole cut for CW and one cut for the phone end 
>will work if you place the dipoles at right angles to each other.
>
>This open-sleeve version of a dipole will cover all of 75/80 with less 
>than
>2 to 1 SWR and have good efficiency.
>http://rudys.typepad.com/ant/files/antenna_broadband_dipole.pdf
>Be careful if you try to analyze this antenna with NEC.  It is possible 
>but extremely tricky to analyze.
>
>The method of applying a resonant LC network at the feedpoint of a 
>dipole, as shown in Chapter 9 of the ARRL Antenna Book will work, 
>however the version with the whole LC network connected directly across 
>the antenna will be limited to low power unless you use some honker 
>size caps to handle the current.  The method used in the "DXers Delight"
>(same chapter) can be used at high power.  It provides a step-up 
>impedance for the caps so they don't have so much current.  Neither of 
>these work well at high power using a toroid for the coil because of the
huge flux values.
>This technique produces three resonant points in the 75/80 meter band 
>although resulting in an increase in feedpoint impedance which then has 
>to be matched.  It is possible to implement all the whole network and 
>the matching with a single tapped coil.
>
>There are many other ways to do this that also work with good efficiency.
>Some of them are shown in Chapter 9 of the ARRL Antenna Book.  Beware 
>of networks using coax in the matching network.  Many of those (but not 
>all) are very inefficient.
>
>Jerry, K4SAV
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