Why are we posting all of this PayPal stuff on TowerTalk, especially after
the moderator said that it was inappropriate?
http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-02/msg00203.html
To: "D.Calder" <
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] PayPal As a Method of Payment for Tower Parts, etc.
From: Michael Goins
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:54:33 -0600
Again, my issue with them is a little different.
I've been buying stuff from other hams for 33 years, have used paypal
a lot, and I have been burned only once - and that was on some stereo
gear from a ham wannabe who never got a ticket.
I have used paypal for a lot of years and have maintained a 100%
rating. Eventually, I used up the 10K of buying I could do with a
credit card and they wanted me to link to a bank account. I finally
decided to do this (against my better judgement) and provided them the
necessary data. They misentered it and then could not verify as the
account number was wrong (their fault).
Now they want me to use a different account because of their error,
and I refuse to do so. Their mistake, their stupid rule about not
using an account that they could not verify, and they won't allow me
to continue using the same very valid credt card I have used for a lot
of years with them.
Dumb business practices on their part, and I won't use them any longer.
Michael Goins, k5wmg
Professor, Writing
University of Texas at San Antonio
Please do not print this e-mail unless it is completely necessary
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:42 PM, D.Calder <towertalk@n4zkf.com> wrote:
> I agree with you there. They are getting out of hand. No argument here.
>
> 73 Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of NE6V
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:34 PM
> To: Towertalk; D.Calder
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] PayPal As a Method of Payment for Tower Parts,
> etc.
>
> I have read a couple of post this am, and had to comment. You guys are
> correct PAYPAL does offer safe guards second to none. Where your post
> have
> missed and you did not comment on are the areas I was made at with
> PAYPAL.
> If you sell on EBAY say a ROHN HBDX-48 tower and in your auction you
> clearly
>
> list it as "pickup" only. It sells a local guy picks it up. You are paid
> through PAYPAL.Couple of problems. 1. In 2008 EBAY RAISED THE SALES
> FEES.2.PAYPAL RAISED THE FEES.3.IF YOU READ THE USER AGREEMENT WITH PAYPAL
> YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF IT AND WILL NOT HAVE SELLER PROTECTION IF YOUR
> BUYER
>
> PICKS UP AN ITEM!!! Know your not trying to rip someone off you just don't
> want to get into delivery of a heavy tower!! That's the sort of stuff I
> dislike PAYPAL for! So Dave, Jim those are my issues' repeat they are HUGE
> FEE hikes and these unreasonable conditions. Is it so bad to have someone
> pick up an item, I didn't think so but PAYPAL did. There are a HUGE NUMBER
> OF articles to read on this subject I'm not alone. last year EBAY lost 5%
> of
>
> their customers, and with millions 5% is a BUNCH.
>
> Good Luck
> 73
> de
> NE^V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D.Calder" <towertalk@n4zkf.com>
> To: <jim@walkersdomain.com>; <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] PayPal As a Method of Payment for Tower Parts,
> etc.
>
>
> Same here. Got ripped on some tower parts a couple years ago using PayPal,
> They told me to send it back, they froze his account. He got the misled
> parts back, they took it out of his account, paid me, unfroze his account
> and all was well. Except for the liar who sold the tower parts to me.
>
> I wouldn't have had to go that far if he would have been fair but he just
> didn't want to be so I went to them and they fixed it for me.
>
> Never any problems here. (knock on wood).
>
>
> Dave Calder
> n4zkf@n4zkf.com
> www.n4zkf.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walker
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:30 AM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Paypal As a Method of Payment for Tower Parts,
> etc.
>
> Folks,
>
> To all of you who believe Paypal is a rip-off I say this to you.
>
> All forms of payment work well when both parties are trustworthy and
> without
> a hidden agenda that includes ripping off the other person.
>
> Paypal is the best method that can be used to transact a sale of
> goods/services when the parties can not meet face-to-face to complete the
> deal. AND Paypal does offer some forms of security for both buyer and
> seller. Other methods of payment offer no form of security, i.e. paper
> instruments such as checks offer no security if the check, money order or
> cashier's check is bad. Cash offers no security if it is counterfeit.
> The
> only form of payment that is somewhat secure is bank transfers of funds.
> Once payment is in your account, the other party can not unilaterally have
> it returned for any reason.
>
> And to keep this post on topic I will just say that I have used Paypal for
> many years, to sell tower parts and other ham related items and have never
> had an issue with their policies. Not only that, but once a few years
> ago,
> their protection policies help be regain my funds back from a seller with
> unscrupulous intentions.
>
> So if a deal went bad and Paypal was used as the method of payment;
> chances
> are it would have gone bad if any other method of payment was used.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Jim
> KBØX
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of paul@n4lcd.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OUR Answer to PAYPAL
>
>
>>Paypal and ebay are related businesses.
>
> In our business, we initially had everyone mail us a check. Then we added
> paypal. Then paypal added the ability for customers to use credit cards
> without having to have a paypal account. Worked great. Still does.
>
> Then we added a regular credit card merchant account through our bank.
> The
> fees were beyond ridiculous so after a few years we dumped it and went
> back
> to using paypal exclusively. We process over $20,000 per month through
> paypal and have had no problems for the decade we've been using paypal.
> Our
> overall experience with paypal has been quite good.
>
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