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Re: [TowerTalk] TX RELAYS

To: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TX RELAYS
From: "David J. Sourdis" <hk1kxa@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:59:45 -0500
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Jim and Roger, thank you very much for reply, I knew it was not so simple.

73

David  
HK1KXA
EC5KXA


> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:46:42 -0700
> From: jimlux@earthlink.net
> To: hk1kxa@hotmail.com; towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TX RELAYS
> 
> David J. Sourdis wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >  
> > I need advice on relays. What are the minimum parameters should I look for?
> >  
> > http://www.findernet.com/en/products/profiles.php?serie=46&lang=en
> >  
> > Would the relay in this link work to withstand 1500W or say 2000W to have a 
> > safety margin?
> >  
> > I have calculated the following, please correct me if wrong.
> >  
> > I= Square root ( Power/R) = SQRT(2000W/50 ohm) = 6,3 A. Based on this, 10A 
> > rating would stand up to 5KW = 50 ohm x 10A^2.
> >  
> > Voltage would be V= I x R = 6,3A x 50 ohm = 315 Volts.
> >  
> > I know it is not the same the ratings for 50 - 60 Hz as it is for 28 MHz...
> 
> 
> 
> Bear in mind also that you've calculated for the proverbial (and 
> non-existent) "well matched system".
> 
> The typical rule of thumb is to require design to 10dB over or test to 
> 6dB over the expected maximum power.  (because that's the worst case 
> with a worst case mismatch)
> 
> That is, if you calculate 315V, you'd want a relay tested to 630V, or 
> designed to about 1kV breakdown.  Ditto for current.
> 
> So, the 10A relay isn't going to hack it.
> 
> Also, keep in mind that for voltage it's "peak voltage" that counts, not 
> RMS.
> 
> If your system has any sort of resonant components in it, you need even 
> more design margin, depending on the Q of the resonance. A Q of 10 
> implies that 10 times as much energy is stored in the system as is 
> passing through, that is, sqrt(10) (about 3) times the voltage and current.
> 
> (why those contacts on inductor band switches might get burned, eh?)
> 
> (In microwave high power breakdown testing, we use a technique called a 
> resonant ring to get high average powers when we don't have a source 
> that can just crank out as much as needed.

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