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> 1. tower takedown (Gregg Seidl)
> 2. Re: tower takedown (jim Jarvis)
> 3. another stupid guywire question (K5MLC (Mike))
> 4. Re: tower takedown (Robert Morris)
> 5. FW: Re: tower takedown (Gene S.)
> 6. How many cans of Prelube 6? (Scott McClements)
> 7. Re: Tower takedown (N6FD)
> 8. Re: Cushcraft A3S trap question (chasm@texas.net)
> 9. Re: How many cans of Prelube 6? (Dino Darling)
> 10. Re: Cushcraft A3S trap question (larryjspammenot@teleport.com)
> 11. Re: How many cans of Prelube 6? (Bob Maser)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:17:10 -0500
> From: "Gregg Seidl" <k9kl@centurytel.net>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] tower takedown
> To: <TowerTalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <002501c8e75f$674147e0$0301a8c0@K9KLStation>
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> I think by hearing how difficult it sounds to take down plus the fact that
> is a USED tower I'd get the sawzall and lay it down that way.Not all used
> tower is bad but I'd be leary of most used towers.
> Plus then there is the "pucker" factor.What if you smash your truck,I'm
> sure your insurance company would try to wiggle out of it ie were you
> doing
> the tower removal for profit...are you licensed to do this kind of
> thing...have you done this before.Blah blah blah.
> Not that I don't love trying to save a buck but you must pick your
> fights carefully.
> Whatever you decide just be safe,we already lost 2 hams this month!
> Gregg K9KL
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:35:15 -0400
> From: jim Jarvis <jimjarvis@optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] tower takedown
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
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> A wt51 is probably too heavy to allow on top of a truck cab,
> unsupported.
>
> Similarly, in a layover situation, that 400 lbs (if that's the
> correct weight)... will be
> amplified by a 10' lever, and you'll apply 4000 ft-lbs of
> overturning moment to the
> back of the truck. I see disaster written all over that plan.
> More, below:
>
> I snipped out parts of Floyd's comments:
>
> Floyd, kc5qbc, wrote:
>
> What you would be better off doing is taking a look for the falling
> derrick procedure which has been metioned here in the archives to
> lower the tower.
>
> I would generally recommend only using the truck as an anchor point
> and doing the lowering work with a come-a-long from as high up the
> tower as practical assuming it has a tilt base.
>
> I would caution against using a manlift as a crane because it was not
> designed for that purpose.
>
> Not knowing your skillset in contruction engineering, if it feels
> questionable at all, simply let a professional handle the takedown,
> the risks are
> just not worth it.
> -0-
>
> To which I will append: There are no free towers.
> Taking down old iron is dangerous.
> Renting a proper truck for transport is cheap.
> Renting a crane, while pricey, may be the only safe way to handle
> high iron, in a confined space.
>
> And finally, the falling derrick is a worthwhile technique for
> layover, as Floyd suggested.
> Even 10' of 25g and a come-along would mitigate the risks, if you
> have a clear layover path.
>
> N2EA
>
> Jim Jarvis, President
> Corporate Coach
> The Morse Group, LLC
>
> People-Process-Strategy
> Achieving Results in a Changing World
> www.themorsegroup.biz
> coach@themorsegroup.biz
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "K5MLC \(Mike\)" <k5mlc@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] another stupid guywire question
> To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <647615.71464.qm@web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Does anyone have any idea if 3/16 7x19 galvanized "aircraft cable" with a
> burst strength of 4200lbs would be OK to use instead of EHS for guying a
> 51' rohn 25 with a cushcraft A3S/743 40 meter adon?antenna sitting?atop ??
> Also, is there a "rule of thumb for dumbies" as how to not have the metal
> guywire resonance on?HF - (ie how far apart do you place those glass eggs?
> Do all the guywires need them, or just the closer ones to the antenna?)
> Thanks in advance de K5MLC
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:57:02 -0400
> From: Robert Morris <robrk@nidhog.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] tower takedown
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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>
> As Master Card would say....
>
> Drop tower on truck - buy new truck-$30,000
>
> Rent crane with operator who knows how.
>
> Puts tower on rented trailer that can hold it- $500 to $1000.
>
> Go home with all original body parts.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:57:23 +0000
> From: "Gene S." <k5gs@q.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] FW: Re: tower takedown
> To: TowerTalk@contesting.com
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>
> According to the specs at Tashtowers the WT-51 weighs 355 pounds including
> the base. The base alone weighs 80 pounds.
>
> In contrast, the shipping weight of my US Tower HDX-572 with the tilt-over
> accessory was 1680 pounds. We installed it with a construction machine my
> general contractor called a "skid-loader", which is a multi-purpose
> machine.
> The US Tower was right at the weight limit for this machine!
>
> The safest way to tilt over a WT-51 is with the tilt-over accessory.
> That
> accessory costs $600 but it's a great investment because it will make
> antenna installation and maintenance a easy chore. Cheap insurance.
>
> http://www.tashtowers.com/
>
> 73,
> Gene K5GS
>
>
>>From: jim Jarvis <jimjarvis@optonline.net>
>>To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] tower takedown
>>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:35:15 -0400
>>
>>A wt51 is probably too heavy to allow on top of a truck cab,
>>unsupported.
>>
>>Similarly, in a layover situation, that 400 lbs (if that's the
>>correct weight)... will be
>>amplified by a 10' lever, and you'll apply 4000 ft-lbs of
>>overturning moment to the
>>back of the truck. I see disaster written all over that plan.
>>More, below:
>>
>>I snipped out parts of Floyd's comments:
>>
>>Floyd, kc5qbc, wrote:
>>
>> What you would be better off doing is taking a look for the falling
>>derrick procedure which has been metioned here in the archives to
>>lower the tower.
>>
>>I would generally recommend only using the truck as an anchor point
>>and doing the lowering work with a come-a-long from as high up the
>>tower as practical assuming it has a tilt base.
>>
>>I would caution against using a manlift as a crane because it was not
>>designed for that purpose.
>>
>>Not knowing your skillset in contruction engineering, if it feels
>>questionable at all, simply let a professional handle the takedown,
>>the risks are
>> just not worth it.
>>-0-
>>
>>To which I will append: There are no free towers.
>>Taking down old iron is dangerous.
>>Renting a proper truck for transport is cheap.
>>Renting a crane, while pricey, may be the only safe way to handle
>>high iron, in a confined space.
>>
>>And finally, the falling derrick is a worthwhile technique for
>>layover, as Floyd suggested.
>>Even 10' of 25g and a come-along would mitigate the risks, if you
>>have a clear layover path.
>>
>>N2EA
>>
>>Jim Jarvis, President
>>Corporate Coach
>>The Morse Group, LLC
>>
>>People-Process-Strategy
>>Achieving Results in a Changing World
>>www.themorsegroup.biz
>>coach@themorsegroup.biz
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:34:22 -0400
> From: "Scott McClements" <kc2pih@gmail.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] How many cans of Prelube 6?
> To: "Towertalk Reflector" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
> <dc722d260807161034y6563e847i9269eea03e504d91@mail.gmail.com>
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> I think I've decided on Prelube 6 for the new cables for my HDX572.
> How many spray cans would I need and what is the best way to apply it
> the first time? Should I spray the cables off the tower and then
> install - or is that a mess? Install first and then coat?
>
> -Scott, WU2X
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:20:32 -0700
> From: N6FD <n6fd@mchsi.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower takedown
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Cc: Floyd Rodgers <kc5qbc@swbell.net>
> Message-ID: <487E3BF0.3010200@mchsi.com>
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> Here in California you have a bit more leeway for loads on your
> vehicle. The overhang allowed in the rear is 2/3rds of the wheelbase.
> On my truck that is about 10 feet. This provision was mainly for
> logging trucks and agricultural trucks carrying irrigation pipe, but
> comes in real handy when I go out for QRP portable operations. Of
> course it needs a red flag during the day and a red light at night on
> the rear most projection. See
> http://n6fd.home.mchsi.com/Sep2002VHF.html for further details.
>
> Erich N6FD
> DM15dp
>
> [California Vehicle Code: Projections to the Rear 35410. The load upon
> any motor vehicle alone or an independent load only upon a trailer or
> semitrailer shall not extend to the rear beyond the last point of
> support for a greater distance than that equal to two-thirds of the
> length of the wheelbase of the vehicle carrying such load, except that
> the wheelbase of a semitrailer shall be considered as the distance
> between the rearmost axle of the towing vehicle and the rearmost axle of
> the semitrailer.
> ]
>
> Floyd Rodgers wrote:
>> In most areas, only 3-4 feet are allowed to hang over the rear/front
>> bumper or the locals start revenue distributon (tickets). Unless you have
>> a rack on the truck that extends beyond the cab, you'll not be able to
>> hang it out the back 11+ feet. What you would be better off doing is
>> taking a look for the falling derrick procedure which has been metioned
>> here in the archives to lower the tower. I would generally recommend only
>> using the truck as an anchor point and doing the lowering work with a
>> come-a-long from as high up the tower as practical assuming it has a tilt
>> base. I would caution against using a manlift as a crane because it was
>> not designed for that purpose. You might be able to swing it with a
>> skilled operator and a number of contruction machines like a
>> backhoe/track hoe or rough terrain forklift. Not knowing your skillset in
>> contruction engineering, if it feels questionable at all, simply let a
>> professional handle the takedown, the risks are
>> just not worth it. Having taken down a FREE tower myself, which ended up
>> costing nearly the full new cost, I will carefully consider the freebies
>> before leaving the driveway. Any perceived posibility of an accident make
>> it an instant "pass" for me.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:20:58 -0500
> From: chasm@texas.net
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft A3S trap question
> To: Tom Anderson <andersonww5l@sbcglobal.net>,
> towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <487E3C0A.2040600@texas.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Tom Anderson wrote:
>> Ray, et. al:
>>
>> If you'll go to the Cushcraft web site and click on
>> the tech issues drop down menu you'll find another
>> menu for installation manuals in PDF format. You can
>> download them or print them out. Its even got manuals
>> Cushcraft no longer manufactures.
>>
>> http://www.cushcraft.com/Installation-Manuals.asp
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> 73 de
>> Tom, WW5L
>
> Tom
> I wish I could find a manual in that detail for the Mosely TA-33
> shoot, I cannot even find colored marks on the elements and boom to
> see where to do what and with which <G>
>
> I need a tech manual with dimensions so that I can take a caliper and
> match what is on the garage floor with what is on the paper.
>
> thanks
>
> 73
> de chas k5dam
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:07:51 -0700
> From: "Dino Darling" <dino@k6rix.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] How many cans of Prelube 6?
> To: "Scott McClements" <kc2pih@gmail.com>
> Cc: Towertalk Reflector <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Its easier to remove the cables and spray them. I stake one end on the
> edge of the yard with the cable laying on the CLEAN concrete side walk.
> I'll lift the cable in my hand using a rag behind it to absorb the
> overspray. I walk backwards letting the anchored cable run through my
> hands. I keep a constant pool of Prelube 6 flowing over the cable as I
> spray it into my rag covered hand.
>
> I've also done this IN the tower and it is a mess. YMMV.
>
> Dino - K6RIX
> dino@k6rix.com
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [TowerTalk] How many cans of Prelube 6?
> From: "Scott McClements" <kc2pih@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, July 16, 2008 10:34 am
> To: "Towertalk Reflector" <towertalk@contesting.com>
>
> I think I've decided on Prelube 6 for the new cables for my HDX572.
> How many spray cans would I need and what is the best way to apply it
> the first time? Should I spray the cables off the tower and then
> install - or is that a mess? Install first and then coat?
>
> -Scott, WU2X
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:15:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: "larryjspammenot@teleport.com" <larryj@teleport.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft A3S trap question
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
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> I rebuilt a TA-33 about 15 years ago. It didn't have any of the colored
> marks as mentioned in the manual - they had long ago faded away, so I
> really didn't know which coil went where. But the manual does have the
> listing for how many turns are on each end of every coil in all of the
> traps, and from that I was able to determine the proper coil placement and
> direction after cleaning them up, inside and out. After cleaning up and
> reassembling the antenna, it really worked well.
>
> I don't know if Cushcraft did the same in their manuals, by giving as much
> trap detail as the Mosley manual did.
> LJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: chasm@texas.net
>>Sent: Jul 16, 2008 11:20 AM
>>To: Tom Anderson <andersonww5l@sbcglobal.net>, towertalk@contesting.com
>>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cushcraft A3S trap question
>>
>>Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> Ray, et. al:
>>>
>>> If you'll go to the Cushcraft web site and click on
>>> the tech issues drop down menu you'll find another
>>> menu for installation manuals in PDF format. You can
>>> download them or print them out. Its even got manuals
>>> Cushcraft no longer manufactures.
>>>
>>> http://www.cushcraft.com/Installation-Manuals.asp
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> 73 de
>>> Tom, WW5L
>>
>>Tom
>>I wish I could find a manual in that detail for the Mosely TA-33
>>shoot, I cannot even find colored marks on the elements and boom to
>>see where to do what and with which <G>
>>
>>I need a tech manual with dimensions so that I can take a caliper and
>>match what is on the garage floor with what is on the paper.
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>73
>>de chas k5dam
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:22:40 -0400
> From: "Bob Maser" <bmaser@tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] How many cans of Prelube 6?
> To: "Dino Darling" <dino@k6rix.com>, "Scott McClements"
> <kc2pih@gmail.com>
> Cc: Towertalk Reflector <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <021101c8e779$51135660$0300a8c0@Main>
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>
> Why spray at all? Maybe if you live close to salt water but otherwise
> it's
> been my feeling that all that sticky s&%t just attracts airborne
> particles.
> 15 years for a set of galvanized aircraft wire rope left dry. Making new
> cables only costs about $100(if you have the Nicopress crimper). Another
> thing, some towers are constructed so that it is very difficult to get the
> cables off the tower sections to lube them. Just MHO.
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dino Darling" <dino@k6rix.com>
> To: "Scott McClements" <kc2pih@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Towertalk Reflector" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] How many cans of Prelube 6?
>
>
>> Its easier to remove the cables and spray them. I stake one end on the
>> edge of the yard with the cable laying on the CLEAN concrete side walk.
>> I'll lift the cable in my hand using a rag behind it to absorb the
>> overspray. I walk backwards letting the anchored cable run through my
>> hands. I keep a constant pool of Prelube 6 flowing over the cable as I
>> spray it into my rag covered hand.
>>
>> I've also done this IN the tower and it is a mess. YMMV.
>>
>> Dino - K6RIX
>> dino@k6rix.com
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] How many cans of Prelube 6?
>> From: "Scott McClements" <kc2pih@gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, July 16, 2008 10:34 am
>> To: "Towertalk Reflector" <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>
>> I think I've decided on Prelube 6 for the new cables for my HDX572.
>> How many spray cans would I need and what is the best way to apply it
>> the first time? Should I spray the cables off the tower and then
>> install - or is that a mess? Install first and then coat?
>>
>> -Scott, WU2X
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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