Re: [TowerTalk] Ask the What?

["Chet Moore" <ChetMoore@cox.net>]

Hi Doug,

I don't think Jim owes an apology.

Doug, you have over looked the fact that the Mosely was not "bashed",  The 
report simply showed that there were a lot of other
tribanders that would be a better choice for "most hams".  Each reader had 
to look at the data provided, and decide for themselves
which of the antennas tested was appropriate to their needs.

No one has said the results are not repeatable. I own the report and I would
bet that the results are repeatable.

If someone had the time, equipment and manpower,  Dick has indicated that
unless it was a FREE report, and even if it was repeatable that he would not
read it.

My guess is if someone painted  MOSELY SOLID STATE  IONISPHERE BUSTER on the
side of  the same brand of lightbulb N6BT used to work dx,  Dick would use
it and love it.

Jim used the words  "head in the sand"  which was exactly what I was
thinking before I saw Jims post.

According to Websters Collegiate Dictionary    STUPID:   given to
unintelligent decisions, or acts,

It is obvious from Dicks post that he is stupid......and....... no one can
fix stupid.

73

Chet


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Cc: <w1ksz@earthlink.net>; "'Jim Brown'" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Ask the What?


> Cheers,
> Steve     K7LXC
> TT ADMIN
>
> PS - What's the old saying? Better to be a fool in silence than open
> your
> mouth and let everyone know that you are?
>
>
> Jim Brown you owe all an apology for your rant!  Arrogant, condescending
> remarks do not contribute anything positive to this list.  You have
> displayed your ignorance.  You base some of your statements on a single
> test ... you should know better.  Test results have to be reproducible.
> That is the tests need to be repeated by another group of qualified
> testers.  If the second set of tests agrees with the first then there is
> a high probability that the results are close to the true unknown value.
> Otherwise to me the first test is just an indication, not an absolute,
> and nothing more.
> Steve and Ward did a lot of work ... I don't sense anyone saying
> otherwise.  Try to remember that we are human and ALL humans can make
> mistakes and tests can be wrong.  Test results have to be reproducible.
> What you have overlooked is that Dick is satisfied with his Mosley ...
> it works well for him.  So what is YOUR problem with Dick's
> satisfaction?
>
> Doug/VA5DX
>
>
> This "Mosley Bashing" has finally hit my button !!
> I have a PRO-57A and am very satisfied with it. It
> is my understanding that subsequent models were
> "improved". I have not seen any published data from
> verifiable sources except those peddling their
> "comparisons" which I don't intend to pay for.
>
> Not every ham has the real estate to put up Mono-
> Banders on Sky-Needles, so, as it is in life, one
> must make compromises. But I cannot accept that the
> PRO-57A is that bad, not without proof.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> And YOU have hit mine!!!
>
> Do you have a clue about how much work it takes to obtain ACCURATE
> data on the performance of an antenna?  To measure the gain, you
> must build the antenna, get it up in the air on a substantial
> tower and rotor in some test range where there is nothing to
> seriously distort the data, make sure that it is properly tuned,
> drive it with a transmitter, and MEASURE the field strength at
> some distance that is representative of its far field pattern. To
> measure the pattern, you must repeat those measurements every 5-10
> degrees. 4-5 guys could easily work a full day to do that if the
> transmitting and receiving towers were already there and nothing
> went wrong. It could easily take twice that time if Mr Murphy came
> to call.
>
> To measure another antenna, you must take the first one down, put
> the new one up, and repeat that process. And, of course, you must
> have purchased or borrowed the antenna in the first place. And
> even if it was borrowed or donated, you still must spend the time
> and money to unpack, handle, repack, and return it.
>
> Those "peddling their comparisons" have HUNDREDS  of man hours and
> a significant dollar investment in those measurements, and YOU are
> either too stupid or too cheap to contribute to their work. You
> clearly don't deserve to benefit from it.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim Brown K9YC
>
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