Wow....
Great comments and thanks to the group for all your feedback.
I figured I would need an additional 4 yards of concrete to fill the entire
hole. In Reno, 6 sack concrete is around $72 a yard...Since I'm pouring
almost 30 yards of concrete total....I decided to just fill the oversized
base.
Ill be sure the backhoe guy doesn't get so carried away on the other holes!
;-)
Thanks again...Great List!!
Also...my Web Site has progress on the new house, tower foundations for the
freestanding systems and the 150 foot rotating Rohn 45.
73...
Rich
www.n7tr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: EUGENE SMAR [mailto:ersmar@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:52 PM
To: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com; Rich Hallman - N7TR
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Using plywood forms...??
Jim:
Yes, nature would step in to fill the void, but how long until that
happens (the wood disintegrates and the soil fills in) and how compacted
would the soil be? I don't believe in cutting corners on something as
critical as the foundation of a self-supporting tower. Besides, unless the
walls of his excavations cave in before the concrete arrives, I expect Rich
will simply use more concrete if the hole is a bit too large.
73 de
Gene Smar AD3F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim White, K4OJ" <k4oj@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "EUGENE SMAR" <ersmar@comcast.net>
Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>; "Rich Hallman - N7TR" <rich@n7tr.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Using plywood forms...??
> Gene...
>
> Are you saying the 1/2" or 3/4" of plywood around the pour once it
> disintegrates will create a void that wide between the earth and the
> pour???? And then the concrete mass could shit by 1/2" or 3/4"
>
> I seriously doubt that... and think nature wouldfind a way to make up
> for the "slack" as rains came and went the soil would ultimately be
> found near the pour...
>
> Jim, K4OJ
>
>
>
>
> EUGENE SMAR wrote:
> > Rich:
> >
> > Absolutely remove the form. If you don't, when the wood decays,
that
> > side of the foundation will not have the support from undisturbed earth
that
> > the other sides have.
> >
> > This means that you'll have to allow sufficient room around the
> > foundation to get at the wood for removal. That, in turn, means you'll
have
> > to backfill the void. And finally, that means you'll have to compact
the
> > backfill as it's being dumped into the excavation. Don't just shovel in
the
> > dirt and walk away. After each half a foot or so has been shoveled in,
> > punch at it with the end of a 2X4 until it doesn't compress any more.
Then
> > shovel in the next half a foot, etc.
> >
> > However, it might be easier if you just fill in the oversized hole
with
> > a bit more concrete. You'll avoid the need to worry about forms,
removal,
> > compaction, etc. The hassle is a toss-up between excavating exactly the
> > right sized hole vs buying and placing a bit more concrete.
> >
> > 73 de
> > Gene Smar AD3F
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rich Hallman - N7TR" <rich@n7tr.com>
> > To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:11 PM
> > Subject: [TowerTalk] Using plywood forms...??
> >
> >
> >
> >>I'm installing several Trylon T400-80's. I noticed that you can use
> >
> > plywood
> >
> >>forms for those times when your backhoe guy gets carried away with the
> >
> > hole
> >
> >>digging.
> >>
> >>If I use a form for one end of my oversized base.....Do you remove the
> >>plywood, then backfill.....Or backfill with the plywood in place?
> >>
> >>Thanks...
> >>Rich
> >>
> >>www.n7tr.com
> >>
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> >
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