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Subject: [TowerTalk] Re: Stray RF yes and no
From: K7GCO@aol.com (K7GCO@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:45:31 EDT
                                           "STRAY RF--YES & NO!"
 This was sent to 23 others before to TT for their comments.  No one had a 
single problem with it as they had found the same things I have.  I wanted 
thank the others who confirmed my contentions that a lot of beam interference 
from guys etc was actually and mostly from other stacked beams if too close, 
RF Spill Over from bad matching systems like some badly adjusted Gamma 
Matches or coax direct feed to balanced feedpoints without a balun.  Symptoms 
frequently gets misdiagnosed!  Sometimes you get some surprises.  There is a 
simple way to fix or balance the affect of a gamma, however.  Shift the DE 
center and adjust the tip lengths and use the "K7GCO Stray RF Hand  Test"--it 
works contrary to those who haven't tried it.  Some changed to balanced 100 
ohm coax and a T Match, FD as I suggested (I may get something very useful 
started here), better baluns or baluns like a 50, 100 or 160 ohm Bazooka for 
balanced feed points and--the SWR change with rotation problems for one--just 
went away!  Isolation to SWR changes is great but may not be enough.  If you 
have an accurate E plane pattern of your beam from the manufacturer or Eznec, 
you can at least check out the E Plane by rotating the antenna.  However RF 
Spill Over can still affect the H plane pattern and often not see it on the E 
plane.  After measuring vertical patterns for years I can assure you It can 
be very evasive.
        
In one interference case reported to me an insulator at the tower for the 
guys solved the problem--or at least part of it.  Lowering the top guys 10' 
solved the problem in 5 other cases.  NOTE! I see absolutely no reason for 
guy wires or Inverted Vees at the top of a tower anyhow.  If you can't attach 
the guys 10-15' below the top of the tower--your tower is too damn weak.  I 
don't know how this ever got started?  A big 40M beam on top may be an 
exception.  A staggering question is, "why haven't others suggested this same 
thing repeatedly"--it's so "incredibly obvious."  So many bad practices like 
this get started and too many follow like sheep over a troubled cliff that 
even the TT Reflector has trouble handling.  Those trying to redirect the 
traffic with "new practices" away from the cliff edge often get ridiculed to 
oblivion also.  Progress is often made "One Death At A Time."
            
Stray RF can certainly do it's damage to F/B ratios if just right.  However 
it can be controlled and even ignored at times as the reports continue to 
come in who followed my instructions.  Actually nulls more than 30-40 dB have 
"no legitimate reason for existence anyhow."  They are usually in a real 
narrow slot, very difficult to use anyhow and are inserted into patterns by 
mother nature just so that the "RF Straw Bailers" (those who grab at stray RF 
straws excessively) have something to crow about and look smart.  They are 
kind of like the "ACLU of RF Human Rights".  Their claim they "Defend Your RF 
Rights" (nulls) like no one else but there are 3 other (nulls) the ACLU 
absolutely refuses to defend like the right to own guns and 2 others the 
Liberals don't like.  Hey that's a pretty good example if I say so myself.   
            
I shall give a "classic example" of an "extreme case" that few thought would 
be possible and apparently haven't realized it's full significance as yet.  
Lucky I didn't listen to them before I started my project on a 5 and then a 6 
band quad.  Antenna Mart has been making all band multi element quads for 
some time with great patterns.  The "Stray RF Interfering Elements" in 
question here are even:
           1. In the same plane 
           2. Resonant on each side of the operating frequency 
           3. Of the same polarization and 
           4. Very close to if not optimum spacing (optimum spacing 
                may not be used by the main elements).  
                NOTE!  These elements are capable of reflecting 
                "Major RF"--not "Stray RF."
It's a "5 band quad (20-10M) using tapered spacing (I've added 6M with a new 
twist--why not)."  However it uses "individual DE feed" with a remote coax 
switch on the tower like Antenna Mart does--the DE's are NOT all tied 
together which totally destroys the potential pattern "beyond repair" (in 
Eznec and on the air) with all this "Stray and Major RF" used in the wrong 
technical and financial way in business.  Some manufacturers actually sell 
this "Junk Stray RF Beam" to unsuspecting hams without a whimper even when 
told about it.  I seldom had to rotate the beam on CQ's even though a DX 
station would call me on the side or back.  Why hasn't any of the "Stray RF 
ACLU Experts" on TT got concerned over a real "Major Case of Stray 
RF--Industrial Strength??
           Paul Harvey said: 
        "We live in a Junk Society.  We have Junk Cars, Junk Houses, Junk 
Books, Junk Toys, Junk Movies, Junk TV's, Junk TV Programs, Junk Furniture, 
Junk Food and one city even had Junk People--they had more Suicides than 
Homicides."  We even have Junk Sex--it's less Emotional Satisfying and Junk 
Antennas, Junk RF, Junk Radios, Junk Other Ham Equipment--on and on.  They 
even sell you Warranty Insurance to help pay for the eventual repair!!  I 
have returned the last 14 items I have purchased including 3 ham rigs with 
major and expensive problems, cameras, an intermittent telephone, lenses, 
guns with dangerous design flaws, an $800 Cell phone 6 years ago, a 
Fax/Telephone combo on and on--junk junk junk.  Some Junk Designs hang on for 
years like the Gamma match.  It's taken me a while to wake up but the only 
way to eliminate this junk problem and wasted money is--don't buy anything.  
I'll keep the 3-6M Raibeams as they are built and work great--better than I 
had expected.  A tight wad friend of mine who never buys anything brings this 
to my attention all the time like for over 45 years.  I had to admit to him 
he's been right all this time.  He's got over a "million trouble free bucks 
in stocks and bonds I don't" and smiles a lot also.    
     
Tom Peters used to give talks on "Making Life Time Customers" and I have his 
and other books on it.  It's become almost a "Forgotten Concept."  There is a 
concept frequently used now by many businesses where, if you get a "lemon," 
you're told "you will eat it."  That's a very tough and sickening thing for a 
retiree, a kid or anyone to hear with their hard earned money invested.  You 
couldn't get away with that years ago and still can't from some buyers.  I'm 
told "they often still come back" so they feel justified in doing it and the 
"lemon product" is a headache for them also.  I can show many proven 
statistics that is "still bad very business."  It still makes "Stray RF 
Customers" in the Ham World.  Walmart like no other Merchant has made 
millions and millions forcing (ruthlessly some claim) suppliers to supply 
good products at a low price.  Mass sales at low profit margins has made the 
"Biggest Fortunes" like for Walmart.  Perhaps the Ham Dealers should do the 
same.  I think pressure should be put on the Junk Manufacturers of items for 
resale or direct sale.  Don't buy them!  Don't throw your money away. 
    
KC6T had a great article in QST where he tuned up a 5 band quad and used 
series fixed and selected capacitors for the final reflector length.  His 
buddy did the same with a series inductor with taps.  I guess the reasoning 
was--it was easier to make a change in the reflector bottom wire during the 
initial tune up from the roof than it was to change the entire wire length?  
Regardless both got it tuned up and it still worked great after the move from 
near the roof (house wiring, eve troughs and all that) to the top of the 
tower-for both.  How could that be??  It happens when you learn that there 
are fewer design restrictions than you have been led to believe by the "False 
RF Prophets."  In this design the reflector was slightly larger for the 
series Xc and slightly smaller with the series XL than normal when properly 
tuned.  This design actually used the same physical spacing on all bands with 
good patterns although I will compare it to tapered spacing.
        
About 40 years ago Sant G2PU found that the usual open wire shorted stub used 
for convenience to tune reflectors, "canted the free space H Plain Pattern 
off center line" (either up or down I don't remember).  Reflection Factor 
plotting with the free space pattern when tipped up or down will reduce the 
potential reflection 6 dB gain main lobe like over what I call "Liquid Copper"
--Salt Water.  Your antenna creates the "text book nulls" in the beams 
vertical pattern only over perfect ground and salt water is as close to it 
you can get.  Normal ground loss fills in the nulls bit more and for vertical 
polarization, the even higher ground reflection losses fill in the nulls and 
reduce the gain even more.  The higher the frequency the worse it is for both 
polarization's for the "Highly Abused and Misunderstood Null--It Gets No 
Respect."  However, Nulls or Dips in the pattern will put up a pretty good 
fight to survive in the E-Plane I've found and have some great configurations 
of beam patterns for verification.  The reason all those great nulls are 
shown in text books is conditions are ideal on paper.  There is no RF Spill 
Over on paper--it's non conductive.  Would you believe that if technical 
books were printed on aluminum foil, lift off of vertical patterns and 
fill-in of nulls would be shown?   
          
G2PU discovered the canting of the free space pattern when he fed his 20M 
quad vertically polarized with the single reflector stub now on the side.  
His pattern on vertically polarized sources "was not head on" and easy to see 
on the S-Meter.  So he said "enough of this design compromise total nonsense" 
and took out the stub and lengthened the reflector until he got the same 
pattern--head on.  Then he rotated the feedpoint 90 degree back for 
horizontal polarization with no tipping of the free space pattern.  You can 
have equal length stubs on each side for balanced but why have stubs at all?  
They just flop around in the wind.  After tune up they have served their 
useful purpose.  Add their length to the reflector. 
   
How much difference a single stub actually makes on typical contacts would be 
hard to tell for sure with other than 2 Quads side by side, one with and one 
without the reflector stub.  Eznec will tell the difference also at least at 
the RF Starting Blocks.  I'm sure it made at least an S-Unit or 2 
psychological difference to listen to him tell about it although he always 
had a great signal on AM with a 2 element quad on 20M.  I haven't heard him 
lately although he's still in QRZ.  Too many design and performance 
compromises are often used for convenience or to save money.  Too few design 
for "Maximum RF Clout" like Raibeam, Antenna Mart and M2.
   
Now even with no tuning stubs, no metal guys and individual feed of quad 
DE's, it would still appear listening to all the "TT Stray RF ACLU Experts" 
it would be totally impossible to get a 3, 5 or 6 band quad tuned up on ALL 
BANDS and have good patterns with good nulls.  It would seem there are just 
too many stray RF generators and are too close in the wrong place.  Are you 
sitting down--NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!!  Don't you "Guys" 
ever get tired of being wrong?  All 5 bands (even 6) using .125 WL spacing 
tuned up with great patterns and nulls with tapered and fixed spacings.  
There were a couple "Unexpected Bonus."  The gains increased slightly and 
even the F/B in some nulls over what was possible from a monobander.  It 
never got worse.  I reported this on TT and all the poo poers came out of the 
computers with their ho ho ho's.  Then Cebik bless his soul, verified what I 
had found as he had found it also.  The Poo Pooers were "strangely silent."  
It was then he told me of KC6T who found good patterns on each of the 5 
bands.  He uses the same physical spacing in his design.  This is what is 
actually found when someone actually spends some time "tuning up beams" 
instead of their "TT Shooting Gallery Opinions."  
        
The H planes of yagi's and quads are always larger than the E plane in every 
pattern I've ever seen.  I have never ever seen it the same beam width except 
in a Bi Square "totally unexpected bonus"quad.  They get real close in 7 and 
8 element yagi's.  Another was this.  The 6M 2 element quad inside the 5 
other bands with symmetric loops--had the "Same Beamwidths."  Absolutely 
Incredible!  This is "Pattern Black Magic."  There was just too damn much 
Stray RF.  We just have to pass a "TT Anti-Beneficial Stray RF Law."  So Be 
it!  It's not "Technically RF Correct."  It's totally out of control in a 
beneficial manner.  We can't have that!  Someone may have a signal edge.  In 
"RF Socialism" everyone has to be the same. 
        
How could near resonant elements of a 5 or 6 band quad on each side of 3 or 4 
operating frequencies be so immune to the beams pattern?  It's violating too 
many "TT Opinion, Appliance & Band Aid Operator Laws."  Embarrassing isn't 
it?  Elevated Egos will never be the same.
            
When all the 5 band quad DE's are tied together, high levels of RF are 
clearly seen on other off band-elements in Eznec and it does indeed affect 
the patterns.  It's so bad the 10M free space pattern even tilts down at 
about 35 degrees--very grim!  That's "Major Directed RF" doing this, not "TT 
Stray RF."
            
There are many other examples I've seen that just aren't doing hardly 
anything but then there are those that do like a towers affect on a 
vertically polarized beam.  I know all the major ones and have battled them 
for years.  They are clearly seen in a pattern recorder.  I just found a new 
one just spinning the beam that has been unrecognized even with Eznec now and 
will report on it.  Under "perfect conditions" I felt I had a vertically 
polarized H plane pattern upset with stacked beams with certain spacings.  RF 
got on the separating boom of the wrong polarization.  I found the reason, a 
simple solution and solved the problem.  
            
With individual DE feed of 5 or 6 band quads, some RF levels are actually 
shown on off-elements in Eznec and recorded in the Current Charts.  Yet great 
patterns result which absolutely defy TT common misguided opinions.  
          
I also excited the higher and lower frequency DE than Fo and great patterns 
still were maintained--some even better.  I was surprised myself but I dig 
into areas that few would think productive all the time.  It blew up the 
theory of resonant DE's were needed other than for a resistive feedpoint.  I 
had thought of feeding the quad with open wire line and this off band DE 
would be reactive one way or the other depending which one was used.  I felt 
the Match Box could handle this from the Z's I saw and similar examples.  
That's an interesting concept of feeding the off band DE and getting a great 
pattern.  More on this later.
          
It's my plan to add a "new performance wrinkle" to an all band 2 element quad 
by adding variable Xc's in each reflector all ganged together to a selsyn on 
the mast so I can tune for max F/B or Gain anywhere in any band on all bands. 
 I'll determine the free space pattern cant if any of the H Plain in Eznec 
and tilt the boom accordingly to compensate.  There are little tricks away 
and around some problems and in some cases certain levels of "The Dreaded 
Stray RF Isn't All That Bad" even right in the bedroom under the sheets so to 
speak.  If you learn how RF really flows when and where, what different 
levels do, you can learn how to talk to RF figuratively speaking--it will 
behave.
            
I'll feed this quad with 100 ohm balanced coax into a match box in the shack 
which will assure max RF into the coax input and anywhere in the band with 
whatever the configuration is used.  That could be considered a very useful 
feature--in particular in a contest and no beam has it yet.  Although guy 
wires are out of the main plane, often non resonant, of the wrong 
polarization, spacing and sometimes in a pattern null, I'll run some guy wire 
stray RF tests in the pattern and SWR curve when I rotate it just to ease my 
and other's curiosity in case they ask--or demand.  I leave no RF Stones and 
RF Burns unturned.  A lot of all this was determined, observed and made use 
of by many even long before Eznec so little of this is really new info. 
             
While I'm on a roll here I really like 1/2 wave verticals whenever possible 
in particular on 40M and on up for many reasons.  I've had a couple of 
articles on these 1/2 waves in CQ some 35 years ago.  All these radial 
problems go away although a screen around the base when close to the ground 
has been known to help--even at WWVH.  If the base is high enough the ground 
screen could probably be done away with.  I'll try it with and without.  I 
use 1/2 waves with an another unusual but simple design now on top of 
monobanders for "listening antennas" as my F/B patterns are so good on some 
beams (even with stray RF guys) I'd miss a lot of stations off the back and 
side without the 1/2 wave vertical to switch to.  I can run them together 
with different phasings.  It often does great just by itself.  I've used 1/4 
wave verticals over the beams DE also as the radials.  Why this hasn't caught 
on I'll never know.  
   
I have a 6M 1/2 wave on the roof now for monitoring.  The 6M Raibeam 5 
element "Butt Kicker" I have 30' higher has such a good F/B/Side (even with 
2-6M beams below it), I needed the 1/2 wave vertical  for monitoring.  When 
an opening occurs on 6M you don't want to miss it from any direction and it 
can be weak.  NOTE! If certain of my or the 5 element Raibeams unusual 
F/B/Side ratio's wasn't as good as it is, I wouldn't need the 1/2 wave 
monitoring vertical.  Apparently many have never had a beam with exceptional 
F/B/Side!!  What have you been doing all these years in advancing the state 
of the art?  Show me some examples.  I have some that I haven't even 
mentioned yet.  
         
There is a "reverse concept" I have observed.  I've told of the 10M 3 element 
I have tuned for "absolute max gain of 10.2 dBi."  No manufacturer has ever 
tuned a beam that way.  It has 8 dB F/B, narrow bandwidth and 6 ohms in the 
center of the DE.  The director is actually longer than the DE.  I feed it in 
a sneaky way at a 50 ohm feedpoint with "Absolutely No RF Spill Over."  The 
coax shield and center of the DE attached to the boom is "RF Stone Cold."  
Would you believe that a "RF Frost" appears there after a long transmission.  
Another phenomena occurs with 8 dB F/B I didn't expect.  After a transmission 
running legal power the back lobe clears the frequency so well it leaves a 
"Signal Black Hole" for the same length of time before it fills in.  That's 
"Infinite F/B."  In 3 years using the beam I don't remember having to repeat 
anything.  Contesters find this useful and have been known to have another 
final on a beam pointing the other way leaving the impression or stating they 
have poor F/B.  Now you know.  With a beam where max F/B and/or Gain can be 
selected, one could also transmit with max gain and listen with max F/B.  
That's a great idea. 

This beam has another great advantage.  With poor F/B you don't have to worry 
about Stray RF filling in the nulls--it might create one--heaven forbid.  It 
could really silence the "Stray RF ALCU Birds" forever!  
    
Antenna design is very interesting if you learn how to massage the RF and put 
it to work for you.  Few know the joy of a "fast rotator and a great beam 
pattern.  When you call them--they stay called."  And I now have 3 ways to 
cure and extend the narrow band width of this or any beam even more.  
      
I had a 5 element 6M yagi on a 16' boom 10' below this 10M beam and when 
installed it didn't change the SWR a bit of either one.  The vertical 
patterns of each and the very tight max gain coupling between the 10M 
elements apparently really isolated it from the 6M beam.  Both worked great.
         
I worked KE6IHA on 6M using a Cush Craft Ringo vertical that is really an 
"Extended Double Zepp" of 3 dB gain design like their 2M Ringo.  Running 700W 
he has worked a lot of DX on 6M using it much to my surprise.  That's one of 
the few reports I've had of this although I know very well what 1/2 waves 
will do on all bands--except 6M.  This caught my immediate attention.  I've 
only heard JA's for DX 2 years ago on 6M once although they were coming into 
Seattle last week and I missed them.  My 1/2 wave will be mounted on top of 
the 5 element Raibeam shortly.  I want to see how well it will work up there 
at any distance on 6M.  I will then make my version of the 6M Ringo.  The 
Ringo is actually a very poor design.  The ring at the base is really the 
inductor of a tank circuit to match a Hi-Z at the end of the antenna and 
tapped at the 50 ohm point.  But it has the highest RF Spill Over down the 
mast of any vertical in Ham radio.  The higher you mount it the worse it 
works as more of the lift-off of the vertical pattern occurs.  The mast or 
tower is heavily excited like a long wire and dominates.  When the 2M AEA 
Isopole came out with the double radial skirt to kill RF Spill Over once and 
for all, Ringo added radials below the Ring Tank Circuit.  Unfortunately they 
didn't understand exactly what they were doing and trying to copy it, added 
radials 1/8 WL lower and not 1/4 WL lower at the maximum high voltage and 
Hi-Z area where they are the most effective as "RF Spill Over Killers."  They 
were close but "No Cigars."  When I told them "they missed by 1/8 wave," 
their eyes rolled.  I don't think they understood what I said as they didn't 
change it. 
            
A local Marine Antenna Manufacturer has a similar "pattern lift off problem" 
with a the 156 MHz vertical and don't know why.  These pattern lift off 
problems created by "Major Stray RF" are still virtually "Best Kept Secrets." 
 The previous owners had stolen an antenna design from me and it had RF Spill 
Over they didn't know how to stop and had then had the guts to ask me how!  I 
will offer a solution to the new owners for a respectable fee.  I applied the 
fix to one of their type antennas that can't be seen on the outside, will 
demonstrate and then we will negotiate.  I hope I get out of there alive and 
with some folding stuff.
            
The Ringo, the 2 Marine verticals and several others including some Ham 
verticals on the market are really nothing more than: 
           "50 ohm matching devices for the coax to the mast."  
    
        "So it can be seen that 1:1 SWR is not the full picture in   
             evaluating an antenna with or without Stray RF but 
                                       it's a good place to start."  
    
 It's like kissing on the hand--you have got to start some where!
    
The frequently neglected, hard to measure and evasive vertical pattern is 
very important.  The key to performance is seen mostly in the free space 
vertical pattern--is it at 0 degrees or on the horizon?  Learn how to 
evaluate and control it once mounted on a tower.  Dominate signals can be the 
result.  You may be accused of running big power.  I know the feeling.  
Record the weak DX station and play it back or point out "you hear the weak 
ones better than they do or not at all."  Sometimes they will call you from 
across town (and across the country) to see if you are talking to yourself.  
They "Absolutely Fry in Their Frustrations" hearing on the phone what they 
don't hear.  Bill Wall has had that happen using his quads.  That's a big 
clue you have got an unusual beam.  Unfortunately few will ask how it is 
done?  They will ask about the receiver and seldom about the antenna?  
      
Another clue of Stray RF and beams too close to each other is RF in the 
Shack.  If Compression is used on SSB Stray RF there can easily get into the 
audio in some rigs.  This usually happens when no balun is used.   
    
    Summation: All Stray RF isn't all that bad as some have claimed.  If it 
was the 6 band 2 element quad wouldn't be possible.  Proper design does 
reduce it as much as possible. 

I've covered most of bases in this post to suppress most of the nit pickers.  
I did add something a sharp nit picker could jump on.  Let's see if any of 
them catch it?  I put something in for everybody.  K7GCO                      
                                   
       

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