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From: WBH3@chrysler.com[SMTP:WBH3@chrysler.com]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 12:07 PM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Torque bars for Create CR-45 Tower-----REVISITED
Bill: I think your tower is the same one I used about 10 years ago in the
Seattle area. I simply laid two 2X4's parallel to the pitch of the roof one on
each side of the peak. I had the two 2X4's bolted into I think 3 rafters each
using about 4 inch lag bolts. The tower base was anchored with 3 inch lag
bolts that went through the 2X4's and the plywood sheets below.
The tower supported an M2 50 foot six meter yagi . You could really see the
tower twist in a wind. I did not feel it was going to last a long time so I
eventually took it down and replaced it with the self-supporting 89 foot
US Tower crank up. That tower was so strong I wound up putting an EME array
for six and two meters on a BIG H frame, but that's another story.
By the way, when I took the tower down after perhaps two years, some of the lag
bolts had started rusting even though I had caulked over their heads. The
water got in between the 2X4 and the roof shingles. To do it over again, I
would probably try to use bolts that went through the roof like the handbook
shows with 2X4's mounted UNDER the rafters inside the attic. Better safe than
sorry!
I think your tower will handle a KT-34A, but I would sure be afraid of a full
sized KT-34XA, especially if you are in any kind of high wind area. Sorry,
it's only a gut feeling, no engineering analysis to support it.
73/Mike, N7ML
I really needed some help on this and was ....well.....very disappointed
that I got only 2 comments back on my questions. Both comments basically
said ....FORGET IT!
I have reconsidered and am now going to put my KT34XA about 1 foot above
the tower. I STILL NEED SOME ADVICE on the feasibility of this project
and any construction hints relating to the home-brewing of torque bars for
this square tower. Are my ideas unsound? Is the KT34XA just plain TOO big
to put on this kind of a tower? Does anyone have experience or knowledge
of someone who has attempted this scenario? Please ignore the comments
about putting the antenna 5 feet above tower.................My initial
posting follows:
---------------------- Forwarded by William B Haselmire/SCI/Chrysler on
08/14/98 12:29 PM ---------------------------
William B Haselmire
08/06/98 09:54 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
cc: bg@tir.com
Subject: Torque bars for Create CR-45 Tower
Greetings all:
Actually, I have a whole bunch of questions related to the Create tower
installation I am doing on the 2nd. story of my house. This particular
tower is almost 15 feet tall with a base section one meter on a side. The
tower necks down to about 7 inches square at the top. I have no problems
getting the thing mounted securely on my roof, but I am worried about a
couple of things:
1.I plan to put up my KLM KT34-XA. I'm buying a 15 foot mast , 0.12
" wall and 87000 psi., from Texas Towers. Now the rotator mounting plate
is at the 10 foot level of the tower, so I will have 9 feet sticking out
of the top of the tower. I plan to put the KT34 5 feet above the tower
(and thrust bearing) and the boom support bracket will be about 3 feet
above that. So, question 1, am I being a little bit over optimistsic
putting the beam that far above the tower? I really don't want to put it
just a foot above the tower,. I do plan to put a piece of reinforcing
metal on the very top of the tower for structural support. I also plan to
put some bracing between the sides of the the tower at 2 different levels
also.
2.Since the KT34 -XA has a 30 foot boom, I want to provide some torque bars
to help things along. The tower is square and will be guyed 5 feet up and
15 feet upl The guys will obviously be at 45 degrees to the sides of the
tower. I had thought about putting steel angle iron along each edge of
the tower and about 18 inches out and then guying to that.
Another idea is to put a plate on top of the tower, bend the corners down
about 60 degrees and secure a strong hasp to the corners and the other end
of the hasp to an aluminum bar about 18 inches long and guy to that. (this
seems to be a better idea in my mind). Any other ideas or comments??
I'll be using Phillystran at 1200 lbs strength.
I'm putting 8 - inch long feet on each leg, each made out of 2 inch angle
aluminum a quarter inch thick. The legs will be anchored through the roof
with two lengths of 1/2 inch threaded rod to a 2 by 6 attached to the roof
joists. The guying points will be half inch threaded rod with a welded 1
inch eye also going through the roof into a 2 by 6 nailed between the roof
joists (which are on 2 foot centers). The roof is only one half inch chip
board and seems to be the weakest link here.
I realize the KT34-XA is a pretty big antenna but it has been a super
performer for me and I sure hate to downsize! On the other hand, with the
expertise on this reflector, I am sure I'll find out if I am being too
aggressive.
Thanks and 73,
Bill WX8S
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