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Subject: Re: Topband: Spectrum
From: fmoeves <fmoeves@twc.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 13:31:43 -0400
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Spectrum internet and cable TV here in Northern Kentucky. It was insight then 
TWC and now spectrum no problem here QRO for several years. Fred KB4QZH 
-------- Original message --------From: rick darwicki via Topband 
<topband@contesting.com> Date: 5/29/20  1:03 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Spectrum Hi all,I had Uverse TV and 1 
KW blew away their modem, anyone operating QRO using Spectrum for TV, Phone and 
Internet ?I assume would have a box with DVR and WIFI.  Any problem with any 
feature being blown away or hash in recorded programs?If it works better than 
my ATT and DirecTV I might go for my second 100 on Topband hi hiThanksRick 
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Contents of Topband digest..."Today's Topics:  1. 160M shunt fed choke 
(tony.kaz@verizon.net)  2. Re: 160M shunt fed choke (Jim Brown)  3. Re: 160M 
shunt fed choke (tony.kaz@verizon.net)  4. Re: 160M shunt fed choke (Jim Brown) 
 5. Re: 160M shunt fed choke (Raymond Benny)  6. Re: 160M shunt fed choke 
(tony.kaz@verizon.net)  7. Re: 160M shunt fed choke (fmoeves)  8. Re: 160M 
shunt fed choke (Jim Brown)  9. Re: 160M shunt fed choke (Jim Brown)  10. Re: 
160M shunt fed choke (Wes 
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 1Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:57:56 -0400From: <tony.kaz@verizon.net>To: 
<topband@contesting.com>Subject: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID: 
<0a7201d63508$c1827090$448751b0$@verizon.net>Content-Type: text/plain;    
charset="us-ascii"I shunt feed my tower on 160M. The feed is about 4' above the 
base of thetower. I use a vacuum cap beta match. I use three vacuum caps. I 
have avacuum relay to switch between high and low 160M. The coax from the shack 
isall underground to the base of the tower. The shield of the coax and 
thematching network is grounded to a tower leg.Is there a potential benefit to 
adding a ferrite core choke for this type ofsetup?  I can easily add one inside 
the match box. I could follow K9YC'sinfo for a 18 turn RG-400 on a 2.4" #31 
core.  Tnx for any feedbackN2TK, Tony------------------------------Message: 
2Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 10:36:53 -0700From: Jim Brown 
<jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>To: topband@contesting.comSubject: Re: Topband: 160M 
shunt fed chokeMessage-ID:    
<7ad4aa2c-8cc6-4512-2599-d663fe98b1a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedOn 5/28/2020 8:57 AM, tony.kaz--- via 
Topband wrote:> Is there a potential benefit to adding a ferrite core choke for 
this type of> setup?What do you have for a radial system?  That's the primary 
determining factor. The choke prevents the coax from being used as a radial. If 
you have a robust radial system, that's far less of an issue.73, Jim 
K9YC------------------------------Message: 3Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 14:06:21 
-0400From: <tony.kaz@verizon.net>To: <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>,    
<topband@contesting.com>Subject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID: 
<0c0301d6351a$b1d90520$158b0f60$@verizon.net>Content-Type: text/plain;    
charset="us-ascii"Hi Jim,In ground radials - 60. Length 60-100' depending on 
direction due to a closein stone wall in one direction.All the coax is buried 
and all the shields are tied to the tower legs abouta foot up the tower after 
the leave the ground.N2TK, Tony -----Original Message-----From: Topband 
<topband-bounces+tony.kaz=verizon.net@contesting.com> OnBehalf Of Jim 
BrownSent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:37 PMTo: topband@contesting.comSubject: Re: 
Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeOn 5/28/2020 8:57 AM, tony.kaz--- via Topband 
wrote:> Is there a potential benefit to adding a ferrite core choke for this > 
type of setup?What do you have for a radial system?  That's the primary 
determiningfactor. The choke prevents the coax from being used as a radial. If 
you havea robust radial system, that's far less of an issue.73, Jim 
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11:41:45 -0700From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>To: 
topband@contesting.comSubject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID:    
<843d3836-6a7d-4f5e-cef2-369d6256ab7f@audiosystemsgroup.com>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedI'd guess that you're probably fine 
without the choke.73, Jim K9YCOn 5/28/2020 11:06 AM, tony.kaz@verizon.net 
wrote:> Hi Jim,> In ground radials - 60. Length 60-100' depending on direction 
due to a close> in stone wall in one direction.> All the coax is buried and all 
the shields are tied to the tower legs about> a foot up the tower after the 
leave the ground.> > N2TK, Tony> > -----Original Message-----> From: Topband 
<topband-bounces+tony.kaz=verizon.net@contesting.com> On> Behalf Of Jim Brown> 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:37 PM> To: topband@contesting.com> Subject: Re: 
Topband: 160M shunt fed choke> > On 5/28/2020 8:57 AM, tony.kaz--- via Topband 
wrote:>> Is there a potential benefit to adding a ferrite core choke for this>> 
type of setup?> > What do you have for a radial system?  That's the primary 
determining> factor. The choke prevents the coax from being used as a radial. 
If you have> a robust radial system, that's far less of an issue.> > 73, Jim 
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------------------------------Message: 5Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:20:53 
-0700From: Raymond Benny <rayn6vr@gmail.com>Cc: 160 
<topband@contesting.com>Subject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID:   
 
<CAHv=PBGV2hgeCt6sg2X6XoqDpq1w7LcmL20WPG73MEeq626L-A@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
 text/plain; charset="UTF-8"One way to tell if a choke is needed I would think, 
is to add say, a randomlenght of coax, 20 - 40 ft, to the shack end of you coax 
and see if yourSWR changes. If so, then a then a choke could help.Jim, does 
this sound like a reasonable test? I'm no expert on verticalantennas, just my 
experience.Ray,N6VR/W7YAOn Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:42 AM Jim Brown 
<jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:> I'd guess that you're probably fine without 
the choke.>> 73, Jim K9YC>> On 5/28/2020 11:06 AM, tony.kaz@verizon.net wrote:> 
> Hi Jim,> > In ground radials - 60. Length 60-100' depending on direction due 
to a> close> > in stone wall in one direction.> > All the coax is buried and 
all the shields are tied to the tower legs> about> > a foot up the tower after 
the leave the ground.> >> > N2TK, Tony> >> > -----Original Message-----> > 
From: Topband <topband-bounces+tony.kaz=verizon.net@contesting.com> On> > 
Behalf Of Jim Brown> > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:37 PM> > To: 
topband@contesting.com> > Subject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed choke> >> > On 
5/28/2020 8:57 AM, tony.kaz--- via Topband wrote:> >> Is there a potential 
benefit to adding a ferrite core choke for this> >> type of setup?> >> > What 
do you have for a radial system?  That's the primary determining> > factor. The 
choke prevents the coax from being used as a radial. If you> have> > a robust 
radial system, that's far less of an issue.> >> > 73, Jim K9YC> > 
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Reflector>------------------------------Message: 6Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 
16:04:14 -0400From: <tony.kaz@verizon.net>To: <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>,    
<topband@contesting.com>Subject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID: 
<0cf001d6352b$29e4ba90$7dae2fb0$@verizon.net>Content-Type: text/plain;    
charset="us-ascii"Tnx JimTony-----Original Message-----From: Topband 
<topband-bounces+tony.kaz=verizon.net@contesting.com> OnBehalf Of Jim 
BrownSent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:42 PMTo: topband@contesting.comSubject: Re: 
Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeI'd guess that you're probably fine without the 
choke.73, Jim K9YCOn 5/28/2020 11:06 AM, tony.kaz@verizon.net wrote:> Hi Jim,> 
In ground radials - 60. Length 60-100' depending on direction due to aclose> in 
stone wall in one direction.> All the coax is buried and all the shields are 
tied to the tower legsabout> a foot up the tower after the leave the ground.> > 
N2TK, Tony> > -----Original Message-----> From: Topband 
<topband-bounces+tony.kaz=verizon.net@contesting.com> On> Behalf Of Jim Brown> 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:37 PM> To: topband@contesting.com> Subject: Re: 
Topband: 160M shunt fed choke> > On 5/28/2020 8:57 AM, tony.kaz--- via Topband 
wrote:>> Is there a potential benefit to adding a ferrite core choke for this>> 
type of setup?> > What do you have for a radial system?  That's the primary 
determining> factor. The choke prevents the coax from being used as a radial. 
If youhave> a robust radial system, that's far less of an issue.> > 73, Jim 
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Topband Reflector------------------------------Message: 7Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 
16:06:43 -0400From: fmoeves <fmoeves@twc.com>To: topband@contesting.comSubject: 
Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID: 
<mailman.26.1590768002.4590.topband@contesting.com>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=utf-8I'm going from memory so...?I've seen a video of a simple 
detector.?In the video the guy ran along the feedline while transmitting low 
power.?You could see if there was a signal on the outside of the cable.?I'll 
look later to see if I find.?Fred KB4QZH?-------- Original message 
--------From: Raymond Benny <rayn6vr@gmail.com> Date: 5/28/20  3:21 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To:  Cc: 160 <topband@contesting.com> Subject: Re: Topband: 160M 
shunt fed choke One way to tell if a choke is needed I would think, is to add 
say, a randomlenght of coax, 20 - 40 ft, to the shack end of you coax and see 
if yourSWR changes. If so, then a then a choke could help.Jim, does this sound 
like a reasonable test? I'm no expert on verticalantennas, just my 
experience.Ray,N6VR/W7YAOn Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:42 AM Jim Brown 
<jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:> I'd guess that you're probably fine without 
the choke.>> 73, Jim K9YC>> On 5/28/2020 11:06 AM, tony.kaz@verizon.net wrote:> 
> Hi Jim,> > In ground radials - 60. Length 60-100' depending on direction due 
to a> close> > in stone wall in one direction.> > All the coax is buried and 
all the shields are tied to the tower legs> about> > a foot up the tower after 
the leave the ground.> >> > N2TK, Tony> >> > -----Original Me ssage-----> > 
From: Topband <topband-bounces+tony.kaz=verizon.net@contesting.com> On> > 
Behalf Of Jim Brown> > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:37 PM> > To: 
topband@contesting.com> > Subject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed choke> >> > On 
5/28/2020 8:57 AM, tony.kaz--- via Topband wrote:> >> Is there a potential 
benefit to adding a ferrite core choke for this> >> type of setup?> >> > What 
do you have for a radial system?? That's the primary determining> > factor. The 
choke prevents the coax from being used as a radial. If you> have> > a robust 
radial system, that's far less of an issue.> >> > 73, Jim K9YC> > 
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Reflector------------------------------Message: 8Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 
13:15:26 -0700From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>To: 
topband@contesting.comSubject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID:    
<2e621209-c77a-43a8-3921-c19cf902845d@audiosystemsgroup.com>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedOn 5/28/2020 12:20 PM, Raymond Benny 
wrote:> One way to tell if a choke is needed I would think, is to add say, a 
random> lenght of coax, 20 - 40 ft, to the shack end of you coax and see if 
your> SWR changes. If so, then a then a choke could help.> > Jim, does this 
sound like a reasonable test?No, I don't think so. The reasons for the choke 
are 1) to minimize noise pickup on the coax from coupling to the antenna, and 
from there to your RX; and 2) to keep TX RF off the coax shield. With the 
robust radial system Tony describes, it seems unlikely that the coax shield 
would see more than 1/60 of the TX current, or that the coax shield would 
significantly change the feedpoint Z, or that it would contribute audibly to RX 
noise.If, however, the antenna was not ideally matched to the feedline, 
changing the feedline length could change the Z at the transmitter. But this 
would be a transmission line effect, not a common mode issue.73, Jim 
K9YC------------------------------Message: 9Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 13:19:16 
-0700From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>To: 
topband@contesting.comSubject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID:    
<dea75abf-a37b-7da3-bd0d-4c58d9b3823e@audiosystemsgroup.com>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedOn 5/28/2020 1:06 PM, fmoeves wrote:> 
I'm going from memory so...?I've seen a video of a simple detector.?In the 
video the guy ran along the feedline while transmitting low power.?You could 
see if there was a signal on the outside of the cable.?I'll look later to see 
if I find.Tony's feedline is buried, so could be tricky. But it IS right to 
move the probe along the feedline to find a current max, because the current 
varies along the line because it would be acting as part of the antenna.73, Jim 
K9YC------------------------------Message: 10Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 13:39:11 
-0700From: Wes N7WS <wes_n7ws@triconet.org>To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.comCc: 
topband@contesting.comSubject: Re: Topband: 160M shunt fed chokeMessage-ID: 
<7C6A9C89-E6B8-4158-ADE2-8ABFA6BCFECA@triconet.org>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=utf-8A buried antenna. Why worry about it?Wes. N7WSSent from my iPhone> 
On May 28, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:> > 
?On 5/28/2020 1:06 PM, fmoeves wrote:>> I'm going from memory so... I've seen a 
video of a simple detector. In the video the guy ran along the feedline while 
transmitting low power. You could see if there was a signal on the outside of 
the cable. I'll look later to see if I find.> > Tony's feedline is buried, so 
could be tricky. But it IS right to move the probe along the feedline to find a 
current max, because the current varies along the line because it would be 
acting as part of the antenna.> > 73, Jim K9YC> > _________________> Searchable 
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