This hobby is dead if we keep chasing off people.
There is no reason we can't treat people respectfully here. If you
can't then maybe those need to leave or Tree needs to show them the door.
W0MU
On 9/5/2018 11:01 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 06:13:21 -0400
From: Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb@gmail.com>
To: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Cc: ad4hk2004@yahoo.com, topband <topband@contesting.com>, Tree
<tree@kkn.net>
Subject: Re: Topband: RE topband Leaving
<I had to go rummage around my Trash folder to find the original post that
<started this from the FT8 arguments in addition to the "millennials causing
<the WWV shutdown" argument, it appears that the parts of the hobby that I
<enjoy do not cross paths with those on the topband reflector. Although I
<wish you all many CW DX, it appears that I am no longer welcome and that I
<must take my leave.?
<I've no idea what the millennial and WWV comment is about as I did not
<follow that thread.
<So we're back to the old FT8 vs CW argument. Was this person
<specifically harassed and hunted down for his views? Shame on the
<moderators if that's what happened. Or, did ?the leaver? just not feel
<welcomed because others expressed contrary views and wouldn't back off?
<73 Mark K3MSB
## I went through it all with a microscope. The fellow in question needs
thicker skin, its a simple as that. On some of the car forums I belong to,
like the mustang forum, you require really thick skin.
## Everybody is entitled to an observation, comment, point of view,
counter argument, etc, etc. I just laughed at the.. millennials causing the
wwv shut down...... they have nothing to do with it of course. It was most
likely
..tongue in cheek. I use wwv to align my tcxos... using the 20 mhz wwv as
1st choice....and 15 mhz wwv as 2nd choice.
## FT8 vs cw. No brainer there folks. FT8 is a game changer...whether you
grasp the concept..or not. Too bad, so sad.
## Remote station on a quiet hilltop.. vs postage stamp sized noisy city lot..
same deal. But remote RX is a big no no. 1.5 kw into a 200 ft tall
stacked array on
upper bands is ok.... but 5 kw into a dipole is a no-no. Both those last 2
make no sense to
me at all. ERP makes more sense. Why is a remote RX a no-no... but a
complete
RX- TX remote station ok ? Who makes these rules ?
## W8JI is a smart fellow... but he still doesnt know how to construct or
design a real
CM choke...that actually works and doesnt blow up.
Folks could easily hear his 2nd harmonic on 80m...so much for the harmonic
suppression
in the amps used. He got a lot of it right... and a lot of it is out to lunch.
His arguments
against the use of ESSB are flawed... unless you use the W8JI convoluted 2
tone test,
with extreme tone spacing..which is the only way to get simultaneous high
and low freqs.
The only other method is program material..like rock n roll. Plane voice
wont do it.
## But thats all water under the bridge. WWV is not about to get shut down
anytime soon.
Nor is FT8 going to be a passing fad. Its here to stay. What do you use
to send cw.. a
vibroplex..or a keyboard ? Whats next..outlaw skimmers ? Just ignore it.
Jim VE7RF
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