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Re: Topband: 1/2 wave inv L

To: Charles Moizeau <w2sh@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: 1/2 wave inv L
From: Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:40:40 -0500
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I've read that the minimum lengths for ground radials is no shorter than
the height of the antenna and that 50% of ground losses occur in the first
one-quarter wavelength distance from the antenna.

This tells me that "too long" radials have diminishing returns.

I've played the radials on ground game for years;  I think this year I want
to try a pair of elevated radials as Mike W0BTU suggests.

73 Mark K3MSB


On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Charles Moizeau <w2sh@msn.com> wrote:

> Well it is understandable.  The current maximum in the half-wave antenna
> is lifted well above ground level.  Had there been a radial system it would
> have had to employ very long radials, for most of the vertical's radiation
> would have been hitting the ground at points far away from the base of the
> vertical.  It is only at those distant points that very long radial wires
> would be able to gather the radiation from the ground's surface and feed it
> back to the feedpoint.
>
>
> Charles, W2SH
>
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> Yup! The lack of a radial system explains why the 1/2w vertical worked
> better. :-)
>
> 73, Mike
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> On Feb 18, 2018 4:55 PM, "Roger Kennedy" <roger@wessexproductions.co.uk>
> wrote:
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>
> Many years ago, a friend of mine used to operate on 160m with vertical
> antennas suspended on a big Weather Balloon filled with hydrogen . . .
>
> After using Quarter-wave verticals for a few months, he changed over to
> Half-wave verticals . . . he found they worked much better !
>
> He didn't have much of a radial system (due to lack of space), mainly just
> earth rods at the base . . . so I suspect that's one of the reasons why.
>
> Roger G3YRO
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