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Re: Topband: FT8 - the end of 160m old school DXing? (long)

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Subject: Re: Topband: FT8 - the end of 160m old school DXing? (long)
From: Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:22:16 -0400
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Heh,

I have found myself thinking more and more in recent years of just dropping ham radio. Those psychologists may have oversimplified things a little but there is plenty of meat on those bones. The radio hook was set for me when my father and I were cruising the bands on one of those big old radios that stood on the floor (1950s). A Zenith model radio that was also parlor furniture. We had a pair of window screens connected as the antenna and we intercepted radio traffic from a mountain climbing expedition on the Matterhorn!! We are/were in central michigan. Three days later that was on the "news" and I recall the feeling of "that's old news". The smell of the hot dust on those old vacuum tubes. The feel of the controls in my hand. Hearing those voices so vary far away. The glow of the dial lights (the tubes were hidden inside the 'furniture').

All of those senses get involved with um... real radio. If we take away one or more of them the hobby is diminished. I have fldigi here for *looking* at the digi modes. So far fldigi does not produce any sound for my ears. I have rarely used it because of that. More recently I have simultaneously run a DSP program just so I can hear what is happening.

One of my other hobbies (involves all of the senses) is making music. I have acoustic (no electronics) instruments and perform with other musicians who use acoustic instruments. It always sounds better than the electronic junk music and the interaction with other musicians is the same a the human interaction between hams (as opposed to interaction between computers). Certainly that 'other' music is valid as music. Those other modes on the bands are valid as ham radio. But some of us have other preferences and we will always have them. I have noticed that some of the 'new' hams are taking up our modes so there will be others to work on the air - hopefully.

Recently some of us were playing to an audience at a community center when the lights went out for a couple of minutes and a couple of times. We never missed a beat :) Sometimes the personal skills developed in ham radio can generate similar stories. So lets all maintain our ham licenses and continue using our favorites modes.

Now..how do I get that FT8 running?

73,

Bill  KU8H

On 10/25/2017 06:37 AM, Arthur Delibert wrote:
I’m sure there will be people who say FT8 is just “progress.”  But some psychologists divide people 
according to whether their preferred mode of experience is auditory, visual or kinesthetic (touch).  I think most of us 
who are addicted to radio are primarily auditory – on one level, that’s why we’re in this hobby.  
So, no surprise that we find radio without the auditory component to be unfulfilling.

Art Delibert, KB3FJO

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From: Steve Ireland<mailto:vk6vz@arach.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:26 AM
To: Topband reflector<mailto:topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: FT8 - the end of 160m old school DXing? (long)

G’day

As a committed (yeah, that’s probably the right word - complete with white jacket that 
laces up at the back) topbander since 1970, I’ve never been so intrigued and disturbed 
by anything on the band as the emergence of the Franke-Taylor FT-8 digital mode.

For me, radio has always been all about what I audibly hear. I love all the 
sounds that radio signals make - and even miss the comforting sound of Loran 
that I grew up with around 1930kHz as a teenager in south-east England. Yeah, I 
am one sick puppy.

With the emergence of high resolution bandscopes through SDR technology over the last 
decade, I embraced that as it meant that I could find what DX stations I wanted to 
hear and contact quicker and more easily (and, in particular, before those stations 
who didn’t have the same technology).

It was really exciting and enhanced the sensual experience of radio by being 
able to see what I could hear (and no dinosaur me, I was an SDR fan boy!).

During this period, there has also been an extraordinary development in digital 
radio modes, in particular by Joe Taylor K1JT.

As a topbander I could see that these modes in which you ‘saw’ signals through 
the medium of computer screen or window as being a remarkable technical achievement, but had 
relatively little to do what I and the vast majority of active radio amateurs practiced as 
radio on 160m, as it had nothing to do with the audible.

The good thing was that I could see that good old CW and Silly Slop Bucket (you can 
see where my prejudices lie) that I like to use were still the modes of choice for 
weak signal DX topband radio contact as these fancy digital modes were either very 
slow or, if they weren’t, were not good at dealing with signals that faded up 
and down or were covered in varying amounts of noise.

While some amateurs seemed to have lost the pleasure of actually hearing 
signals in favour of viewing them on their computer screens, I felt secure that 
these digital modes were just a minor annoyance and any serious DXer or 
DXpedition was never going to seriously going to use them, particularly on my 
first and all-time love topband, for other than experimentation.

Then, out of the blue, along comes FT-8. Joe and Steve Franke K9AN have quietly 
created the holy grail of digital operation with a mode that can have QSOs 
almost as fast as CW and SSB and over the last eight weeks 160m DXing has 
changed, perhaps for ever.

Where once there were a few weak CW and SSB signals (I am in VK6, which is a looong 
way from anywhere with a population so we only ever hear a few), I can see that the 
busiest part of the band is 1840 kHz – FT-8 central.  On some nights I can see 
FT-8 signals on the band but no CW or SSB.

There are countries I’ve dreamed for 20 years of hearing on 160m SSB/CW (for 
example, KG4) regularly appearing on DX clusters and I can see the heap of FT-8 
activity on my band scope.

Frustration sets in and I even downloaded the FT-8 software but, when it comes down to it,  I 
just can’t use it. My heart isn’t in it.

My computer will be talking to someone else’s computer and there will be no sense of 
either a particular person’s way of sending CW or the tone of their voice (even the 
way some my SSB mates overdrive their transceivers is actually creating nostalgia in me). The 
human in radio has somehow been lost.

I think back to my best-ever 160m SSB contact with Pedro NP4A and I can still 
hear the sound of his voice, his accent, when he came up out of the noise and 
to my amazement answered me on my second call, with real excitement in his 
voice. Pure radio magic!

So I am sitting here, feeling depressed and wondering if overnight I have become a 
dinosaur and this is the beginning of the end of topband radio as I’ve always 
enjoyed it.

Now, over to you other topbanders, especially those who have dabbled with FT-8 
and live in more populous areas. Has the world really turned upside down and 
what do you think the future holds?

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD


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