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Re: Topband: Best wire antenna for roof top location

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Subject: Re: Topband: Best wire antenna for roof top location
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:53:03 -0400
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Hmmm! Let's remind ourselves of Nuradi's situation. The roof is 110m high, 45m x 33 m. Corner to corner is less than a wavelength on 80M, more than a wavelength on 40M, but the distance to a corner from a wire strong between the two corners is less than a quarter wave on 80M, less than a half wave on 40. Assuming an ideal conductor on the roof, it's going to act as a reflector going upward, but the low angle pattern will be determined in the far field.

A dipole on a real tall building roof is worth a try (because it is so simple and easy), but it is not a simple predictable system.

First, any conductor approaching a resonant length in the near field is a real problem for antenna pattern modification. Second, another issue is absorption from everything in the building. Third, there is likely noise.

A building is generally a real complicated mess of long conductors that run both horizontally and vertically, and thick lossy dielectrics of all types. A building typically cannot be modeled as a flat sheet the dimensions and height of the building roof. On receiving, a building is typically full of multiple noise sources.

There can be buildings that work OK through luck, and they are generally OK on frequencies where the antenna can be a long distance in fractional wavelengths away from the building wiring, but they are almost never anything like a pole or mast support for pattern, and they are rarely good for noise.

Usually it is a better idea to get the wire out away from things that might be problems, or at least put a nearfield null in the direction of the problem.

I had a friend who managed a high rise apartment building on a hill. We never could get a good 80 horizontal antenna on the roof, but it was killer on 20 meters and up (he had a 20-30 ft tower on the roof). The only thing that seemed to work well on 80 was a wire hung off the side out away from the building. We used the metal flashing as a ground, and end-fed a real Zepp antenna. It was like a J-pole laid on its side.
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