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Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach"

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Subject: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach"
From: Mark Connelly via Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Mark Connelly <markwa1ion@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:41:16 -0400 (EDT)
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I'll just stick in a few responses to others' comments about what I wrote on the 'beach' thread and then I'll get out of the way.

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It is tricky to use receiving tests to gauge the
effectiveness of proposed transmitting antennas
for two reasons.  You are probably listening on
receiving type antennas rather than transmitting
antennas.  In that case, you have only shown that
receiving antennas work better over salt water.


Definitely, as I'd mentioned, less site-to-site variability would be shown with a full-size efficient transmitting type antenna, whether a vertical over a good ground system or a high (>150 ft. elevation) horizontal dipole / yagi.

Smaller receiving loops and active whips exhibit the greatest influence due to surrounding ground conductivity and elevation profiles. This is particularly the case on groundwave or very low angle skip. High angle skip is largely unaffected by the nature of the surrounding landscape; certainly by the time you get to Near Vertical Incidence, that can work even if you are surrounded by tall buildings or mountains.

As some of the propagation paths we desire do involve things such as the ability to "open" the band pre-sunset on the US/Canada East Coast to incoming Europeans, skip propagation at very low angles is a matter of interest. If sunset is at 4 p.m. EST (2100 UTC) in December in MA/ME, for instance, the ability to work Europeans as much as three hours earlier than that is going to be more likely at a shore site for a given transmitter/receiver/antenna configuration. For such early QSO's inland I think a mountain top (and a heck of a lot of buried copper) would be needed. By an hour or so after sunset, the shore versus inland differences would reduce to barely perceptible as the optimum take-off angle would be considerably higher above the horizon.

Still, having potentially two or more hours of useful communication at the start of an opening going east or the end of an opening going west is still not a trivial matter, especially in a contest scenario when every added QSO point matters.

Extrapolating groundwave results from a proper-size broadcast vertical with radials exhibits that coverage even from a professional-grade antenna is affected greatly by surrounding ground conductivity.

Keeping in mind that the following map for WOND 1400 (near Atlantic City, NJ) shows a pattern from a single-tower non-directional antenna, it's quite obvious that sea gain is for real:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WOND&service=AM&status=L&hours=U

This station is easy daytime copy here on Cape Cod at over 250 miles. Going inland to the northwest of the tower, WOND has less strength at a mere 30 miles.

Reciprocity would mean that the same tower used as a receiving antenna would have a similar pick-up pattern: far better sensitivity going east than west. This jibes quite well with what is observed routinely at seashore broadcast-band DXpeditions even when talking about afternoon low-angle skip from Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Brazil.

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Second, are these comparisons based on S meter readings
or signal to noise ratio?  If the latter, then it
could just as well be that it is very quiet on the
shore because nothing is out there.  Especially if
you use directional antennas to listen.


S-meter readings. Northeastern Brazil stations (Fortaleza / Natal / Recife areas) and "deep" Africans (e.g. the former BBC Lesotho on 1197 kHz) that could routinely hit S-9 on the Drake R8A or Perseus with car roof loop at shore sites in Rockport, MA and Orleans, MA were, at best, in the S-2 category (or more likely just non-existent) with the same mobile set-up at my former location in Billerica, MA (15 miles northwest of Boston; 15-25 miles inland on bearings of interest). Differences on western Europe (e.g. Absolute Radio UK 1215), especially after sunset, were a good deal less as the skip was at a high enough angle to be less "groundwave-like."

I believe that Nick Hall-Patch and others have done simultaneous inland versus coastal signal observations of Asian and Down Under signals received around dawn in BC, WA, and OR on a fairly regular basis. I think that, for them, coastal beats inland most of the time on both actual signal strength as well as signal-to-noise / signal-to-interfering stations metrics.

Once in a while greyline does give you one of those "high angle is best" tilted-layer paths and the best location winds up being the one under the spotlight. In that case, coastal versus inland becomes largely irrelevant.

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BTW, what are the best California BC stations to look for? Its been decades
since Ive heard one but I havent tried hard at all.

Carl
KM1H


KNX on 1070 is about the only California station that has a ghost of a chance to make it to New England now that the former clear channels are plugged up with so many domestic and Cuban stations. Try just before dawn. A properly-aimed Beverage will help. 640 KFI and 680 KNBR used to make the trip east in the '60s/'70s when many US stations went off the air after midnight. Those days are gone. The 1070 situation actually improved when CBA New Brunswick went silent about 10 years ago.

West Coast AM broadcast stations are actually heard more often in Scandinavia (over the pole) than on the US East Coast.

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ENOUGH of the "...modeling the proverbial 'vertical on the beach'" already...!

My "delete" button is beginning to wear out.


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I swear I am going to start a self serving thread called ? vertical near by to a
beach.??


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Yeah!!  -This one's been "done to death'!


I receive the postings in digest form so I guess that means I have to hit delete less often if at all.

I suppose I was under the mistaken notion that antenna and propagation discussions were a legitimate topic here.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA

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