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Re: Topband: best core material?

To: James Rodenkirch <rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>, BY THE LAKE <magoo@isp.ca>, "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: best core material?
From: "Shoppa, Tim" <tshoppa@wmata.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:33:49 +0000
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You'll notice in my original response I was trying to determine if this is only 
for receiving or if you were planning on transmitting with this transformer too 
:). FT-140 is pretty huge for a receive antenna transformer and winding just a 
few turns of skinny wire through it would look particularly odd.

Binocular cores will have better coupling and less leakage than toroidal cores. 
Toroidal cores might be preferable if you had to wind so many turns that it 
wouldn't be possible to fit through the binocular holes (admittedly the hole in 
a toroid is much bigger than the holes in a binocular core :)!)

Tim N3QE

From: James Rodenkirch [mailto:rodenkirch_llc@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 2:20 PM
To: Shoppa, Tim; BY THE LAKE; topband@contesting.com
Subject: RE: Topband: best core material?



 I wasn't going to use a binocular core, Tim - I was going to use the Amidon 
FT-140-43 OR the FT-140-77 IF it made any noticeable difference....is there 
some magical reason to use binocular vice standard "round"?


> From: tshoppa@wmata.com<mailto:tshoppa@wmata.com>
> To: rodenkirch_llc@msn.com<mailto:rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>; 
> magoo@isp.ca<mailto:magoo@isp.ca>; 
> topband@contesting.com<mailto:topband@contesting.com>
> Subject: RE: Topband: best core material?
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:12:48 +0000
>
> If receive only, you will do just fine using the 2873000202 binocular 73 
> material core that Tom mentions.
>
> I think this corresponds to Amidon part number BN-202-73. Newark stocks the 
> part under the original Fair-Rite 2873000202 number.
>
> Tom shows 2:5 ratio but I've done other ratios just fine.
>
> I am very very impressed with the 2873000202 core, in fact I also use it in 
> some DC-DC converters and the core just barely gets warm at the 10 watt 
> level. Whenever I've accidentally transmitted into my receive antenna, the 
> transformer survives just fine, it's the terminating resistor that goes up in 
> smoke. I try not to make a habit of it :-)
>
> Tim N3QE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James 
> Rodenkirch
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 2:04 PM
> To: BY THE LAKE; topband@contesting.com<mailto:topband@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: Topband: best core material?
>
> Sorry - didn't make it crystal clear that this is a Delta shaped variant of a 
> EWE antenna!!!!
>
> My bad for not utilizing all of the necessary verbiage to make that 
> clear....you see it in ON4UN's latest book on page 7-104.
>
>
>
>
> > From: magoo@isp.ca<mailto:magoo@isp.ca>
> > To: rodenkirch_llc@msn.com<mailto:rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>
> > Subject: Re: Topband: best core material?
> > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:00:48 -0400
> >
> > A full-wave delta loop would have the transformation done with a 1/4
> > wave line of 75 ohm cable. This must be something other than a full-wave 
> > loop?
> >
> > Bill VE3NH
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Rodenkirch" 
> > <rodenkirch_llc@msn.com<mailto:rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>>
> > To: <topband@contesting.com<mailto:topband@contesting.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:33 PM
> > Subject: Topband: best core material?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I have a schematic for a delta shaped loop that shows I'll need an
> > > 18:1 transformer to transform the 950 ohms of the antenna to 50 ohms
> > > (feeding it with 50 ohm coax).
> > >
> > > One transformer diagram shows an FT-140-43 core being used.
> > >
> > > BUT, looking over some of Tom's, W8JI, write-ups, I see where he
> > > uses 73 material instead.
> > >
> > > I see where 77 material replaced 73 material so -- is an FT-140-77
> > > the mo betta way to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, in advance, for any advice/info. Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV
> > >
> > >
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