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Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna - New Details Posted

To: richard@karlquist.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K2AV 160m Folded Counterpoise Antenna - New Details Posted
From: w7dra@juno.com
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:17:34 -0800
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I dont know what kind of an isolatuion transformer you guys are using, i
come from a vintage view point where no ferrite or coax is ever used
except to go from the transmitter final coil to the antenna coil.

coupling is just some #14 insulated wire around the whatever coil i am
going from to a wiinding on whatever coil i am going to, loop coupling
everywhere, even in my receiver designs

for antenna tuning make the coil the length needed to  get an swr =1.0x
or so, no matter what size of variable cap you need to resonate


mike w7dra


On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:41:41 -0800 "Rick Karlquist"
<richard@karlquist.com> writes:
> W0UCE wrote:
> 
> > *        The ONLY means of achieving the required degree of 
> Isolation is to
> > use the Isolation Transformer as specified by K2AV
> > *        Tests using 1:1 Baluns and Line Isolators have ALL FAILED 
> - you
> > waste RF Power, Time and Money unless the specified xfmr is 
> installed
> > *        DO NOT attempt to use Insulated Window Line for the FCP - 
> We already
> > tried it and it does not work - too lossy
> > *        Use #12 Bare wire for the FCP elements - Moisture gathers 
> on
> > insulated wire and detunes the FCP
> 
> I haven't built this system, but the suggestions above make sense.
> I have been trying to encourage using transformers instead of 
> baluns
> on 160 meters for years, but it's a tough sell to overcome the 
> balun
> habit.  The tendency for loss in the open wire line also makes
> sense.  It is well known that window line is lossy when wet.
> What is new here is that the Q is so high that you can't even
> use insulated wire for open wire line.  It would be interesting
> to see if teflon insulated wire worked OK.  The electric field
> is maximum right at the conductor surface, so the insulation has
> a considerable effect on characteristic impedance, thus I could
> imagine it would affect loss too.  I am feeding my vertical
> using 850 feet of open wire line with XHHW insulation (whatever
> that is made out of).  It would be interesting to measure the
> loss on a rainy day and see how much it increased.  It's only
> a few tenths of a dB when dry (the wires are 4 AWG aluminum).
> 
> Rick N6RK
> 
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