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Re: Topband: water saturated ground effect

To: bryonveal@msn.com
Subject: Re: Topband: water saturated ground effect
From: "n2kw@juno.com" <n2kw@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:11:32 GMT
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Byron,
How has the 3db bandwidth been affected?
Have you noticed any difference in antenna performance?
Going from an inefficient ground system, to a more-efficient ground/radial one, 
raises SWR, and also narrows bandwidth.  This is because you're going from a 
resistive load, to a tuned (reactive) one.  You say that you have observed a 
change in feedpoint impedance/matching, but nothing else.
Herb pointed out that FRESH water can act as an insulator, which I had never 
considered.  If your radial system is insulated from earth, you have a lesser 
ground, I guess.   I have seen articles advising use of INSULATED wire, to 
reduce corrosion.  They used to dump bags of Copper Sulphate at the ground 
stakes in the past, but I don't think that is PC these days.  Did you plan on 
planting a garden there? Personally, I am an advocate of elevated radial 
systems, but realize this is often simply not an option.  (Even "turkey-wing" 
radials are more efficient than buried ones, unless you do a lot of burying.)  
How about adding some chickenwire?  That's the secret of an efficient buried 
radial system ...."adding."

Allen - N2KW
---------- Original Message ----------
From: BRYON PAUL n0ah VEAL <bryonveal@msn.com>
To: "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: water saturated ground effect
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:31:55 -0600



On my Cushcraft MA160V, the resonant SWR point has lowered from almost 5:1  to 
1:1 without the Amidon unUn in line.  All 26 of the buried radials are 
attached.  The main difference is that the normally dry ground is saturated 
from 6 inches of rain in the past two weeks.  Can the water saturated soil 
really make this much of a difference?  The last time this antenna showed this 
good of an SWR, was when I had no radials attached, in dry dirt, as expected-  
Of course attaching radials only began to show the true impedance mismatch, 
thus the need for the Amidon UnUn to match the coax to the antenna- Bottom 
line, the antenna is acting like I disconnected the radials, which are very 
much intact- My guess is that as the soil drys out, my SWR at sresonance will 
once again rise, and i will need the UnUn again for matching reasons- does this 
sound right>?

73  Paul  N0AH



      
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